[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So by that token I can throw something at a horse being ridden on the street, and claim it was the fault of the rider for riding it down the street? Someone can boot my dog and claim its my fault for taking out , IF this protest had been peaceful no horses would have got hurt.

No because the street on a normal day is not a dangerous place and you would expect the animal to be safe. When you take your dog for a walk it's (I presume) to places that you know are safe for a dog.

A motorway is not a safe place for a dog. A crowd of disgruntled people is not a safe place for a horse. I know that, YOU know that, the police know that. Are you trying to say that the police don't know that any protest can get rowdy? Are you saying they haven't been watching the news from America? Are you genuinely hand-on-heart trying to argue that the police think they're taking these animals into a safe situation when they ride them into a crowd? Honestly I just don't believe it. I don't think for a second you'd take a horse or a dog or any other animal into the middle of a crowded protest ... because you know it's not a safe place for them ... even if they don't get hurt it's clearly a distressing environment. Why are you making excuses? Animal advocacy is an admirable trait and even when I don't 100% agree with you, your absolute best posts on this site are when you're advocating for animal rights. Why are you letting your impulse to defend the authorities lessen that on this occasion?

[Cherie]

From the footage I saw apart from the horse that bolted, the remainder of those injured were police on foot?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No.. because there is no threat to just walking in a street. How can you equate walking down a street and a riot?

People have said it was the polices fault for the horses getting hurt for using the horses, so riot or not people shouldnt use them for anything.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont know ,ask Bing. i dont think people would just stand there and let the horses trample them surely they would move.

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He would just make some sarcastic joke anyway.

[user104658]

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing???

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No because the street on a normal day is not a dangerous place and you would expect the animal to be safe. When you take your dog for a walk it's (I presume) to places that you know are safe for a dog.

A motorway is not a safe place for a dog. A crowd of disgruntled people is not a safe place for a horse. I know that, YOU know that, the police know that. Are you trying to say that the police don't know that any protest can get rowdy? Are you saying they haven't been watching the news from America? Are you genuinely hand-on-heart trying to argue that the police think they're taking these animals into a safe situation when they ride them into a crowd? Honestly I just don't believe it. I don't think for a second you'd take a horse or a dog or any other animal into the middle of a crowded protest ... because you know it's not a safe place for them ... even if they don't get hurt it's clearly a distressing environment. Why are you making excuses? Animal advocacy is an admirable trait and even when I don't 100% agree with you, your absolute best posts on this site are when you're advocating for animal rights. Why are you letting your impulse to defend the authorities lessen that on this occasion?

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing???

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hold on... hold on a moment. I think there's a story we've overlooked here.

... People use Bing???

More of an Ask Jeeves man, myself.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't want bings opinion, I want yours.

You think it's a persons responsibility to not get trampled?

My opinion is, NO animal should be used in any way including for our entertainment , and most people will move away from a horse surely, they are not invisible.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

More of an Ask Jeeves man, myself.

At least i am asking questions and finding out,what is so wrong about that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

Blame isn't a finite resource though, why does it have to be that ONLY the people who threw things are to blame or ONLY the police are to blame? They share the blame. Horses shouldn't be in that situation and the police (in future) absolutely can change that, by not taking them to those situations any more.

Plenty of blame to go around.

Like... if someone shoves someone onto a road and they get hit by a car, but the driver of the car was looking at their phone and would have stopped in time if they had been paying attention, who is to blame? The person who pushed them, or the driver of the car? The "pusher" is MORE to blame but the driver isn't blameless.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

Educate ha!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am not defending the police though,I am saying the people who hurt the horses are to blame, they shouldn't be there ,but they were, we cant change that,surely people ,even those who are angry know full well when they throw things at animals they will get hurt and they are the innocents in this.

They are innocent which is why they should never be weaponised.

Put battle of Orgreave into bing

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

At least i am asking questions and finding out,what is so wrong about that.

I didn't criticise you for anything, I'm more worried that bing is a gateway drug to internet explorer, and it's a long, dark road back from that place.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Does it matter ? really ? I was just looking up why horses are used,isnt that what the internets for ?

I just didn't think anyone actually used Bing and was shocked. Most people who aren't bothered about The Man having an eye on them use Google these days. Of course, those of us who are paranoid use DuckDuckGo.



Quek

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My opinion is, NO animal should be used in any way including for our entertainment , and most people will move away from a horse surely, they are not invisible.

The police are not invisible are they?
So it's ok to ride a horse into the middle of a riot because people will move away... and what then? When they have moved out of the way of the horse, they carry on? Go home?

I still don't understand why a horse aids a riot.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am against horses being used for anything not just this,I dont like the police using them,I never said I did, I do not however agree its the polices fault horses have been injured, it's the people who threw missiles.

You're against horses being used for anything, including by the police. But refuse to acknowledge the police are responsible for this incident... by bringing a horse?

I don't think even you yourself know where you stand on this issue.

[Cherie]

Not a horse in sight here, neither are the police in riot gear...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ondon-22154691

Protesters were seen chasing police down a London street after clashes at the Black Lives Matter demonstration left eight officers injured.

Angy scenes erupted in the capital yesterday, with images showing police bleeding on the ground - while some were seen running for safety from crowds.

In the 30-second clip showing police running from a crowds, some are heard swearing at officers while others throw missiles in their direction.

As police are followed through the street, the officers can be seen coming up against other demonstrators after turning a corner.

After a crowd descended on Whitehall, some clambered onto The Cenotaph- a memorial honouring those who lost their lives in war.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not a horse in sight here, neither are the police in riot gear...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...ondon-22154691

Protesters were seen chasing police down a London street after clashes at the Black Lives Matter demonstration left eight officers injured.

Angy scenes erupted in the capital yesterday, with images showing police bleeding on the ground - while some were seen running for safety from crowds.

In the 30-second clip showing police running from a crowds, some are heard swearing at officers while others throw missiles in their direction.

As police are followed through the street, the officers can be seen coming up against other demonstrators after turning a corner.

After a crowd descended on Whitehall, some clambered onto The Cenotaph- a memorial honouring those who lost their lives in war.

Awful people.

What happened to the mobile barricades and water cannons?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Educate ha!

[bots]

There is such a thing as the mounted police unit. It's used for things like crowd control plenty of times at football matches without issue - this should have been another simple crowd control task had the people attending had peaceful intent.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I just didn't think anyone actually used Bing and was shocked. Most people who aren't bothered about The Man having an eye on them use Google these days. Of course, those of us who are paranoid use DuckDuckGo.



Quek

I use Google aswell,why does it matter ?

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Floyd was a scumbag, but if any authority figures openly say that, their city will be a pile of ashes within a week That, and it's up to the police to kill unarmed people. It shouldn't have happened. Unless he was actively a physical threat to someone else there's no "justification" for the way it happened.

We live in a country where a White Boy from a wealthy family killed a Muslim boy and got out of prison in a few months and all is forgiven . Can we stop trying to bring up someone’s past when discussing their murder? it’s a disgrace.