[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

I have no time for centrists that try to make out both sides are as bad as each other when it's blatantly not the case especially when it's the false brand of centrism that only exists to make one side look better with inherently flawed comparisons.

Trump holds the power and he is protected by the Senate. In the past few days alone, he has attacked LGBT rights on the anniversary of the Pulse shootings and tried to host a rally at the site of one of the worst black massacres in history on Juneteenth. Thankfully someone talked him out of the latter but it doesn't change the fact that he would have done it otherwise. Oh, and that same rally would have seen people having to sign release forms to attend in case they caught Covid since Trump is insisting on no social distancing at his rallies and tried to do so at the Republican convention when most ****ing republicans would be in the danger zone when it came to Covid.

I can keep going, if you like?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have no time for centrists that try to make out both sides are as bad as each other when it's blatantly not the case especially when it's the false brand of centrism that only exists to make one side look better with inherently flawed comparisons.

Trump holds the power and he is protected by the Senate. In the past few days alone, he has attacked LGBT rights on the anniversary of the Pulse shootings and tried to host a rally at the site of one of the worst black massacres in history on Juneteenth. Thankfully someone talked him out of the latter but it doesn't change the fact that he would have done it otherwise. Oh, and that same rally would have seen people having to sign release forms to attend in case they caught Covid since Trump is insisting on no social distancing at his rallies and tried to do so at the Republican convention when most ****ing republicans would be in the danger zone when it came to Covid.

I can keep going, if you like?

If you like

I don't particularly approve of his presidency, but that doesn't make demands to defund the police in the UK any more valid there are better battles to pick.

[Jigs]

Defunding the police is about reassigning how the money invested is spent within the force. Rather than forking out lump sums on firearms perhaps they should focus their efforts on proper training courses and more intense processes of vetting. Did you know it takes less training to become a NYPD cop than it does to become a qualified hairdresser...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If you like

I don't particularly approve of his presidency, but that doesn't make demands to defund the police in the UK any more valid there are better battles to pick.

Except that it's not an invalid demand, the US police should be defunded because it's inherently and systematically broken.

You can't change the goalposts, Oliver. Liberty was speaking about US 'leftists' being crazy, I pointed out the folly of that statement considering the US right, you tried to play both sides to paint the right in a favourable light and now you're trying to compare.... the US Right Wing and Donald Trump to the vague notion that BLM UK wants to defund the UK police based on an analytical article that talks about such things as a hypothetical scenario. It doesn't say that BLM UK wants to defund the UK police, it just poses the question of it's possible and how it could work or fail.

An article on a hypothetical discussion does not equate to 'BLM UK wants to defund the police'.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's why they shouldn't be a movement, obviously black lives do matter but there's no need to bring other politics into it.

Bang On Right
Oliver.

[The Slim Reaper]

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.

[The Slim Reaper]

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.

[Liam-]

‘You can do your marches, but you have no right to have opinions on anything else in the world, god know your place!’

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Unfortunately, it's 2020 and black lives mattering is actually a political position. Interesting that both the people saying they should quit, constantly make "interesting" posts about all kinds of people of colour.

No-one disagrees with black lives mattering. No-one with a brain anyway. But plenty of people disagree with Marxism. Focusing on bettering predominately BAME neighbourhoods is politically neutral, and not something anyone could disagree with

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Also, it should be compulsory for anyone wanting to use Marxism as a bogeyman, to actually have read Marx.

I don't care either way about Marxism

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one disagrees with black lives mattering. No-one with a brain anyway. But plenty of people disagree with Marxism. Focusing on bettering predominately BAME neighbourhoods is politically neutral, and not something anyone could disagree with


I don't care either way about Marxism

People do disagree though, and not just fringe extremists. It's not possible to keep politics out of black people and people of colour wishing to be treated equally.

Can you not see how the dangers of "blackness" have just been swapped for the dangers of marxism? It's still just a means to paint people as others and a threat.

If people actually read and understood Marx, it would reduce a lot of the silliness.

[bots]

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

‘If minorities want to be equal, they have to be politically aligned to us’

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if the bame community ever want equality they have to get the consensus of the majority of people and that means not adhering to extremist political doctrine, whatever it may be

Post of the thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

People do disagree though, and not just fringe extremists. It's not possible to keep politics out of black people and people of colour wishing to be treated equally.

How? Everyone minding their own business and treating people decently is politically neutral.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Therein lies the problem, thinking equality should have stipulations placed upon it. And again, Marxism isn't extremism, it's primarily about equality.

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

I agree, I was all for this but now I am pretty confused over what people really want, I feel as though the divide is worse now than it was before,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you are not understanding the issue. If you want people to behave differently, you have to get the majority of the population behind you, and that isn't achieved by associating with extremes.

Equality is not extremism. Marx isn't an extremist, and BLM are not a terrorist group. It's probably past time being fearful of dragging the mouth breathers along with modernity.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I agree, I was all for this but now I am pretty confused over what people really want, I feel as though the divide is worse now than it was before,

Equality, Kaz. It's really nothing more complicated than that.

[Liam-]

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Equality, Kaz. It's really nothing more complicated than that.

Exactly slim, Marxist movements born from YouTube videos not facts make racism worse

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If the divide is worse now it’s because white people do not like being confronted with the fact that minorities still face racism

Liam speaking for all white people folks

That is some privilege

Wowser