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Old 24-06-2020, 01:31 PM   #26
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'Be quiet about the racism you experienced and release new music!'

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Old 24-06-2020, 01:31 PM   #27
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So, you're telling Alexandra Burke to shut up about racism and perform?
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Old 24-06-2020, 01:33 PM   #28
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She can talk about her experiences with racism as much as she wants, we do want new music though
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Old 24-06-2020, 02:24 PM   #30
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Beyonce bleaces her skin and dyes her hair brown and she has done ok?
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And they weren't allowed to shave their hair so they'd appear more "cute". X Factor stars have to remain generic.
They were allowed to change their hair. Liam and Zayn shaved their heads at one point.

By change her hair Alexandra means she was advised against afro or dreads one would assume.
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Beyonce bleaces her skin and dyes her hair brown and she has done ok?
I don't get the point you're making, that she only does OK because she does those things or what? If so then that's pretty racist
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Old 24-06-2020, 03:18 PM   #34
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...I recall CeeCee..(IthinkIloveyoutoo..)...making some really enlightening posts about this and providing some great links to read and vids to watch...the things she experienced as a young black female..?...really awful, some stuff and some things I just hadn't realised at all...when would it ever be said to an artist with white skin colour....oh well, I already have one white artist so...../...itís undoubtedly prejudice, the things sheís referred to and experienced ...and it should never be excused as anything else...
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They were allowed to change their hair. Liam and Zayn shaved their heads at one point.

By change her hair Alexandra means she was advised against afro or dreads one would assume.
Yeah Alexandra specifically said they didn't want her wearing braids or an afro, if people listen carefully they even gave her a hard time over baby hairs showing as it makes her look "aggressive" .

Everyone has baby hairs so once again it just shows how racist and absurd they were to her.
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Old 24-06-2020, 05:28 PM   #36
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They were allowed to change their hair. Liam and Zayn shaved their heads at one point.

By change her hair Alexandra means she was advised against afro or dreads one would assume.
Oh I didn't know Liam and Zayn had done that Harry's "the one with the hair" so I wonder if he'd have been allowed?

And they would certainly be advised against mohawks or face piercings some "looks" just aren't what a label wants.
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Oh I didn't know Liam and Zayn had done that Harry's "the one with the hair" so I wonder if he'd have been allowed?

And they would certainly be advised against mohawks or face piercings some "looks" just aren't what a label wants.
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Yeah, you can't really undersell this, she was essentially told to be less 'black'.
The sad thing is quite a few black singers have experienced this discrimination in the music industry.

Have you seen the Misha B video?, back in XF in 2011 the producers and the judges used her as Scape goat for ratings and drama .

They portrayed her as the bully and they used the B in her name to play that up . It was all planned to make her look bad . Tulisa & Louis instigated crap .
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I don't get the point you're making, that she only does OK because she does those things or what? If so then that's pretty racist
I'm saying it happens all the time,most black women artists realise the audience cis mostly white and change to be popular and make the Dollar

Tina, Whitney etc. Just part of the industry. Her issue Vis she just isn't likeabke or savvy so is blaming

The fault is her not racism
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Was she told outright NOT to have certain hairstyles or they wouldn't release her music, or was she advised against it on the basis that it would probably affect sales?

Both are rooted in racism, of course, but of a different branch. If it was the former it's the management being straight up racist. If its the latter and was management advice based on market trends, the real problem of course is racially-charged consumer expectations and management aren't really at fault for giving that advice if it's factual.

I guess the difference is between if they said "You can't have your hair like that", and if they said "you can have your hair how you want, but you'll sell fewer records".

Both are sad, sad situations though.
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Tina, Whitney etc. Just part of the industry. Her issue Vis she just isn't likeabke or savvy so is blaming



The fault is her not racism
Why would you think most of her audience is white and even if she has got a lot of white fans, why on earth would they want her to appear "more white"?
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Itís a shame she didnít expose this back at the time. It would have had more of an impact.
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Was she told outright NOT to have certain hairstyles or they wouldn't release her music, or was she advised against it on the basis that it would probably affect sales?

Both are rooted in racism, of course, but of a different branch. If it was the former it's the management being straight up racist. If its the latter and was management advice based on market trends, the real problem of course is racially-charged consumer expectations and management aren't really at fault for giving that advice if it's factual.

I guess the difference is between if they said "You can't have your hair like that", and if they said "you can have your hair how you want, but you'll sell fewer records".

Both are sad, sad situations though.

...I think her actual wording was ...í..you canít have braiding/Afroí etc...í..you have to have hair that is more appealing to white people...í...
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Why would you think most of her audience is white and even if she has got a lot of white fans, why on earth would they want her to appear "more white"?
The UK is 90 % white. It works of all the female black stars would not do it. She was just given commercial advice really.
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Itís a shame she didnít expose this back at the time. It would have had more of an impact.
Rustic she was scared and is still worried about speaking out , there's other celebrities who have spoken out now like Keisha from sugababes , Misha B , and Leigh from little mix .
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I'm saying it happens all the time,most black women artists realise the audience cis mostly white and change to be popular and make the Dollar

Tina, Whitney etc. Just part of the industry. Her issue Vis she just isn't likeabke or savvy so is blaming

The fault is her not racism
"It's not racism, all black females have to change themselves for whites to like them"
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She should have stayed with Barry B instead of hunting the quick dollar when she was head hunted for xfactor
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Rustic she was scared and is still worried about speaking out , there's other celebrities who have spoken out now like Keisha from sugababes , Misha B , and Leigh from little mix .

I can only comment on Leigh from Little Mix and wasnít that more about social media bullying. Why would you be scared to report blatent racism...or was she more scared of jeopardising her career ...
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