[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes very disappointing, given people still seem to be trying to get their head around lock down, I heard some chap on the radio yesterday asking how long he could go out and exercise for like use your common sense, and given we are heading for at least 3 more weeks of lockdown, to start talking about an exit strategy now would confuse the thickos I am afraid.

KFC, Burger King, and Pret are opening for deliveries today, so that is part of an exit strategy but it doesn't need trumpeting....ITS AN EXIT STRATEGY..

He needs to start reading the public mood, until the death rate is significantly lower the public do not want schools open etc

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

He Should go on TV news
and debate that with Clever Dr. Smith.

https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/...NmmiYlZ_wNp3W0
Forgot to post the link.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Its reported Piers Corbyn Jeremys brother)is wanting the lockdown lifted too, whats the matter with these people who want to rush into things.

It takes a lot of work to be the worst Piers and the worst Corbyn!

[arista]

P. Corbyn , 73

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Labour general secretary Jennie Formby resigns
after bombshell antisemitism report leak
She said she applied for the role two years ago
"to support Jeremy Corbyn" but with new leader
Sir Keir Starmer in place "it is the right time to step down".]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-ge...-leak-11982942

[arista]

todays PMQ's

[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier was great in PMQs. A lack of a noisy audience really shines a light on Boris' bluster.

[arista]

Jon Lansman stands down as leader of left-wing group Momentum


[The 62-year-old said the time had come
for the organisation to be led by a new
generation of activists in an article written
for the Labour List website.
"We are now a mass of dedicated activists
fighting for a better world.
And in this new era, it is time that a new generation
of leaders put their ideas into practice,"
he wrote.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jon-lansm...entum-11989640

[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

Not necessarily Are they even a labour supporting group? I thought they were just a left wing organisation who just happened to be supporting Labour because Corbyn was the current leader.

[user104658]

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

He's really effective, makes one wish he was leading the Labour party when they were against a minority government. He could have been the de facto PM!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

The mental health situation is going to be horrendous. I honestly don't think it would be possible to over-estimate... and it's going to be a delayed effect too because people tend to hold it together for a while, and then avoid seeking help for a while longer. There's going to be a steadily increasing strain on MH and addiction services for the next few years.

[joeysteele]

He was in no way again my choice for leader of the Party.
Actually I'm rarely impressed by any leaders of Parties in the UK.
Apart from Nicola Sturgeon who I've admired, for her honesty and genuine compassion on the losses of elderly lives likely unnecessarily in this pandemic.

However Starmer is effective, I like how he sticks clinically to the points he makes at PMQs.
Johnson's usual clouding the water bluster cannot really surface and he always appears to be struggling to answer Starmer.

The criticisms of the handling of this pandemic may be a little premature.
This is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
I'm sure no one ever hoped or wanted to have to.
I think this government set out with good intentions to deal with it.
Rishi Sunak particularly who is the Government light in this for me.

The question I want asked at the more terminal point of this pandemic however.
Is why?
When we had Hancock saying in January that we had a great test for this virus.
Why it was stated we were prepared for it.

Then after all the forewarnings of what transpired in Italy, with Italy saying it would be coming across Europe to the UK.

Why, with that forewarning in January and February, how instead of being able to avoid the holes Italy found itself in.
We ended up in those same holes and sinking deeper.

Hindsight isn't the issue here, we had all that forewarning of what was coming.

Then had the farce of the shocking protection equipment.
The scandal of those in supposed care homes, being virtually sacrificed carelessly.

The failure to protect care staff also NHS Doctors and Nurses.
Not to mention other public service workers too.

These questions need answering in the future and this is where, with his analytical and clinical style of presentation, Starmer must and I now believe can shine.
Although it's a really sad set of results to have to do so on.

Starmer wasn't my choice as I said however I like how he's performing so far definitely.

A long, really long way to go but, he could spring many surprises.
Social changes have to come in the UK.
I think people are starting to see the failures across the board on those issues.
Social care, mental health also however social justice too.
Starmer is on the right track, at least for now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

[bots]

we need an effective opposition, something we sadly lacked when Corbyn was around. Politically, labour and the tories are poles apart, so they will never agree. I just don't think we have true political heavyweights around at the moment, when we really need them. They all seem to be career politicians or completely incompetent.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

Yes and he was a couple of thousand votes short for the seats needed to win. Considering the vendetta against him he almost won.
I'm aware of how voting works thankyou.

[arista]

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

Good interview, he has a likeable personality and he is doing well in the polls, Labour members must be happy?