[Ammi]

....this is an interesting explanation of police accountability by the Deputy Director General Operations at the IOPC....It makes it very clear why it’s so important that these incidents and the use of force used is always held up for accountability....


‘The police have both extraordinary responsibilities and powers. These include powers that can impact on people’s liberty and even their right to life. If members of the public are to have confidence in the police (including confidence to provide the police with information to help with the fight against crime), it is crucial that they trust them, and trust that if there is wrongdoing or learning it will be identified and acted upon.

When we investigate an officer’s use of force, we often find police officers act appropriately and there were no concerns.

In some cases, we identify serious issues where force was used too quickly, disproportionately to the threat faced or without reasonable justification, or occasionally that non-lethal tactics were overlooked.

This inappropriate use of force is a concern for the public and it is why we successfully campaigned for police forces to record all uses of force by their officers.‘

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....this is an interesting explanation of police accountability by the Deputy Director General Operations at the IOPC....It makes it very clear why it’s so important that these incidents and the use of force used is always held up for accountability....


‘The police have both extraordinary responsibilities and powers. These include powers that can impact on people’s liberty and even their right to life. If members of the public are to have confidence in the police (including confidence to provide the police with information to help with the fight against crime), it is crucial that they trust them, and trust that if there is wrongdoing or learning it will be identified and acted upon.

When we investigate an officer’s use of force, we often find police officers act appropriately and there were no concerns.

In some cases, we identify serious issues where force was used too quickly, disproportionately to the threat faced or without reasonable justification, or occasionally that non-lethal tactics were overlooked.

This inappropriate use of force is a concern for the public and it is why we successfully campaigned for police forces to record all uses of force by their officers.‘

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Okay but what about the MAIN POINT of the fact he was carrying a knife? Seems like that is being ignored and all of this is just yet another way for people to trash the police.

But but he didn’t use it...so it’s fine ..let him carry on

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Then i must mean something to you if i make you feel important, yet you mean nothing to me

See you on the next thread with your next interjection randomer.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But but he didn’t use it...so it’s fine ..let him carry on

Erm.... nobody said that....

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

See you on the next thread with your next interjection randomer.

I might agree with you on the next thread though, so that might not be necessary

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

I might agree

.....nope.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

.....nope.

I wish, like you, i could see into the future.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....this is an interesting explanation of police accountability by the Deputy Director General Operations at the IOPC....It makes it very clear why it’s so important that these incidents and the use of force used is always held up for accountability....


‘The police have both extraordinary responsibilities and powers. These include powers that can impact on people’s liberty and even their right to life. If members of the public are to have confidence in the police (including confidence to provide the police with information to help with the fight against crime), it is crucial that they trust them, and trust that if there is wrongdoing or learning it will be identified and acted upon.

When we investigate an officer’s use of force, we often find police officers act appropriately and there were no concerns.

In some cases, we identify serious issues where force was used too quickly, disproportionately to the threat faced or without reasonable justification, or occasionally that non-lethal tactics were overlooked.

This inappropriate use of force is a concern for the public and it is why we successfully campaigned for police forces to record all uses of force by their officers.‘

Absolutely.

Well done for posting this.
It's necessary so that police and public have protection.
In that too, the rule of law is upheld too.

Watching the video.
This was over the top and out of order.
Plus no one has said the guy was not wrong for carrying a knife.

It's right to criticise him for that and it's a criminal offence.

Equally so once the police overstep the mark themselves and then also in effect break the rules and even law.
Then they too warrant criticism.

Those police who overstep the mark bring the police force into disrepute.
If they are to just be allowed to.
What then for law and order and justice.
Where does that go?

Really again, good on you for posting this extract of correct procedures being adhered to

Something that has to be done and made sure is done too.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Missed the point AGAIN...


IF this man had stabbed and killed someone or several people this police officer would NOT be suspended for restraining him in an aggressive way ?....he would be a ****ing hero....

Remember what I said about the response being proportionate to the threat?...again 1 man in cuffs and two officers.
Where is the threat?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Remember what I said about the response being proportionate to the threat?...again 1 man in cuffs and two officers.
Where is the threat?

They're playing contrary Mary for the sake of it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're playing contrary Mary for the sake of it.

How antagonistic...must be rubbing off..

[Kizzy]

Yes marsh stop making a bad situation worse. .. have you ever thought about becoming a police officer?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

How antagonistic...must be rubbing off..

Yes, you must be.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes marsh stop making a bad situation worse. .. have you ever thought about becoming a police officer?

[Crimson Dynamo]

More excuses for crime, more attacks on our brave police. Abhorrent imo

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

More excuses for crime

What's been the excuse for his crime, exactly?

I don't see anyone objecting to the man being arrested.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Put me in the same position on the floor with the cuffs on at the front and I would seriously hurt you if you was a copper.

You lot have never been in a fight in your life.

When adrenaline kick in it gives people incredible strength that’s why you sometimes see 5 police trying to hold one guy.

Watch out, we have a badass here. In reality, you'd be detained like everyone else.

The man was detained, all the what ifs in the world won't change the facts.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What's been the excuse for his crime, exactly?

I don't see anyone objecting to the man being arrested.

If anyone sees 'kneeling on a neck or a head is against police protocol and shouldn't be done' as 'The detainee did nothing wrong, let the man go on a stabbing spree!', they should go slap whoever taught them to read because they were taught wrong.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

They haven’t just grabbed some innocent guy and threw him on the the ground.

Actions create reactions.

Stop defending criminals.

[Ammi]

...in the interest of fairness, Sheriff...you would have to apply your own view/thoughts to yourself also... if you’ve had no experience of why it’s so, so important that these incidents and the use of force is always held up for accountability....And why the public should always expect accountability...then it’s just armchair watching...


...many arrests are made, every day/every hour of the day and no inquiry is applicable because correct training was followed...but this particular arrest and the use of specific methods of force is of huge concern to the IOPC, as it is to public trust also...no one, no one, no one is or has defended any criminal actions...

[Nicky91]

tbh here i find it understandable the actions from these officers, compared to in the US with george floyd

here they really stopped a dangerous armed thug, whereas the actions from the officers in US was unnecessary violence towards George Floyd


so yeah a shame these london officers get criticism all bc we are living in this BLM/PC world now and apparently all actions by police get put under microscope these days, really a shame


which the police officers who went public into wanting change in law enforcement system, those who went out of line placed the entire force into a bad light which is so wrong

also i am never gonna defend this criminal because you don't carry a knife with you on Streets, in public areas, who knows what this man might've done, or how many he could've killed

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...in the interest of fairness, Sheriff...you would have to apply your own view/thoughts to yourself also... if you’ve had no experience of why it’s so, so important that these incidents and the use of force is always held up for accountability....And why the public should always expect accountability...then it’s just armchair watching...


...many arrests are made, every day/every hour of the day and no inquiry is applicable because correct training was followed...but this particular arrest and the use of specific methods of force is of huge concern to the IOPC, as it is to public trust also...no one, no one, no one is or has defended any criminal actions...

He is a criminal he got taken to the ground for a reason.

I’ve been arrested many times and by armed police with dogs, I’ve also seen many arrests first hand.

Its simple, don’t fight the police and they won’t use force that represents the level of threat or hostility they face.

If you never tryed to restrain someone who’s intentions are to get away at any cost then you don’t have the experience to fully understand why they don’t what the do.

[Cherie]

I wonder if anyone in the higher echelons of the force got suspended for the poor decision to send officers into Brixton without protective equipment to disperse an illegal party as it was deemed it would be too intimidating, or are unnecessary injuries to officers acceptable to the Deputy Commissioner