[Liam-]

People are bound to be racist when foreigners move in is quite the take

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whoever he is, his children don't deserve to be targeted by arsonists.

And while I don't support his beliefs - not at all, he has a problem with Jews - it's easy to understand why people who've left the East End after generations because it's been handed to immigrants and and the gentry, would probably be a bit racist. Essex is full of these people. No one's ever been able to talk about that though, without the hysteria that's littered this thread.

Some racism is understandable is a confession.

[Livia]

It's pointless talking about this. Like I said, any discussion on how the East End has been almost cleared of working class white people brings out the TiBB Reactionaries. The East End has been multicultural since they built the docks. I grew up in a multicultural area - Newham - the first London borough where immigrants outnumbered the indigenous population. But now the balance has shifted a bit too far. And unless you've lived there then, and live there now... you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Liam-]

Unless people are physically being forced out of their homes in place for a foreigner then there is no need to say they’re ‘taking over’ if people leave because they don’t want to be surrounded by foreigners then that’s down to their own ignorance and racism, I have a feeling people wouldn’t mind a part of the country being mostly foreigners if the foreigners were from say, Scandinavia or Northern America

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's pointless talking about this. Like I said, any discussion on how the East End has been almost cleared of working class white people brings out the TiBB Reactionaries. The East End has been multicultural since they built the docks. I grew up in a multicultural area - Newham - the first London borough where immigrants outnumbered the indigenous population. But now the balance has shifted a bit too far. And unless you've lived there then, and live there now... you have no idea what you're talking about.

A reactionary is someone who wishes to return to previous times and opposes progress and change. That describes your pov, not ours.

[Livia]

Whatever...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Unless people are physically being forced out of their homes in place for a foreigner then there is no need to say they’re ‘taking over’ if people leave because they don’t want to be surrounded by foreigners then that’s down to their own ignorance and racism, I have a feeling people wouldn’t mind a part of the country being mostly foreigners if the foreigners were from say, Scandinavia or Northern America

North Americans and Scandinavians are culturally very similar to us, if not identical in most ways. Islamic culture is completely different, which is what causes "culture clash".

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

North Americans and Scandinavians are culturally very similar to us, if not identical in most ways. Islamic culture is completely different, which is what causes "culture clash".

It's not really about culture though is it? Culture has just become a seemingly acceptable wall for bigotry to hide behind.

[Liam-]

It must be so hard being scared of people who pray at certain times a day and wear different clothes to us, couldn’t be me

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's not really about culture though is it? Culture has just become a seemingly acceptable wall for bigotry to hide behind.

Things TR spoke about were stuff like views on women and child marriage rather than skin colour.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It must be so hard being scared of people who pray at certain times a day and wear different clothes to us, couldn’t be me

Don't forget that language that sounds funny

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Things TR spoke about related to behaviour of muslims rather than their skin colour.

Of course it did. He formed the EDL which wasn't just about muslims, and as differing forms of open racism have become more and more unacceptable to most of society, he's retreating further and further back into it being about Islam, which is accepted by the English galahads.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It must be so hard being scared of people who pray at certain times a day and wear different clothes to us, couldn’t be me

That stuff about hating gays, treating women like trash, and legalised child marriage pales in comparison to walking around in nightshirts, yes.

[Livia]

And as if to embroider my point.....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It must be so hard being scared of people who pray at certain times a day and wear different clothes to us, couldn’t be me

That's quite an oversimplifcation to overcrowding and stretched resources, but go off as you would say

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Of course it did. He formed the EDL which wasn't just about muslims, and as differing forms of open racism have become more and more acceptable to most of society, he's retreating further and further back into it being about Islam, which is accepted by the English galahads.

I don't really know or care what the EDL stood for, I wasn't listening to them TR is a moron but the way islam manifests in the world is worse, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting it here.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Things TR spoke about were stuff like views on women and child marriage rather than skin colour.

That stuff about hating gays, treating women like trash, and legalised child marriage pales in comparison to walking around in nightshirts, yes

I’m sure he has the same level of issues with white bigots, misogynists and predators

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't really know or care what the EDL stood for, I wasn't listening to them TR is a moron but the way islam manifests in the world is worse, and there's nothing wrong with not wanting it here.

Well then you miss out knowing who TR really is, and why his focus has conveniently switched.

[Liam-]

Some Catholics have problematic views on women, gays and let’s not mention the issue with priests worldwide, shall we ban that too?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

And as if to embroider my point.....

You had the chance to embroider your own point, and this was how you used it.

Originally Posted by Livia

Whatever...

[Liam-]

Islam isn’t the issue, it’s the extremists that twist their religion to suit their hatred fuelled ideology, the same as people who hide behind Christianity to try and excuse their hatred and bigotry, except people are much more willing to look past the white Christian extremists than any other.

Make no mistake, it’s not about ‘culture’ people like Robinson and his ilk only want one thing, a white nation of pure English speakers, he pinpoints Islam as his main target because he knows the only acceptable bigotry left in our society is Islamiphobia.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Some Catholics have problematic views on women, gays and let’s not mention the issue with priests worldwide, shall we ban that too?

How many Catholic countries have the same societal problems as islamic ones?

Originally Posted by Liam-

Islam isn’t the issue, it’s the extremists that twist their religion to suit their hatred fuelled ideology, the same as people who hide behind Christianity to try and excuse their hatred and bigotry, except people are much more willing to look past the white Christian extremists than any other.

The scriptures themselves might be as problematic as each other, but it's about how they manifest in the world, what effect they have in countries they have influence in.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...from The Independent article...



Bedfordshire Police said it did not have a record of house arson linked to Robinson's family, but had received a report of a car being set on fire in June, without providing further details.

...just to say again that I’m not sure that any attack did take place..he described it as his wife’s property, which is an odd description ...and the police have no record to any property linked to the family having had any attack of arson...all quite dubious atm...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How many Catholic countries have the same societal problems as islamic ones?

Russia are still persecuting gays to this day, a lot of Africa is predominantly Christian and those countries still put people in prison for being gay some even get put on death row, those countries have massive amounts of violence based on religion

The scriptures themselves might be as problematic as each other, but it's about how they manifest in the world, what effect they have in countries they have influence in.

And Islam has no influence or power here, no matter what the daily mail or right-wing mouth pieces tell you they do.
Islam isn’t the only religion in history to be manipulated for a dangerous cause, Hitler was a Catholic and lead with religion at his forefront, yet we don’t question the place of Catholicism in the world do we?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Russia are still persecuting gays to this day, a lot of Africa is predominantly Christian and those countries still put people in prison for being gay some even get put on death row, those countries have massive amounts of violence based on religion



And Islam has no influence or power here, no matter what the daily mail or right-wing mouth pieces tell you they do.
Islam isn’t the only religion in history to be manipulated for a dangerous cause, Hitler was a Catholic and lead with religion at his forefront, yet we don’t question the place of Catholicism in the world do we?

Oh Hitler! Here we go....