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Old 01-08-2020, 10:21 AM   #26
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Old 01-08-2020, 10:21 AM   #27
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Supporting a TERF to be edgy is a **** personality trait
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Not a fan of her books or the subsequent films I am struggling to see what she has said that is so bad that warrants the abuse on this thread

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I'm not supporting her to be "edgy", whether or not she's a particularly amazing writer, her books have encouraged god knows how many people to pick up books who might not have otherwise.

Also, I've not heard or read anything transphobic coming from her?
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"I know and love trans people BUT" is the new "I have a friend who is black so I'm not racist BUT"

Given the backlash she received from so many people is really hinting at what is so bad that warrants it. It was insensitive and not fully thought through, at the very least.
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Like I already hated her with her insulting performative allyship claiming Dumbledore is gay without ever hinting at it in the books or the movies and claiming Hermione was black even tho she cast a white actor for her and describes her white skin in the books. Marginalised people are just an accessory to her that she can brag about on Twitter or whatever so it’s no surprise to me she took the TERF route
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Comparing JK's words to the "I have a black friend" defence is pretty daft. She's not actually said anything bad? Referring to transwomen as male might not be polite, but it's not inaccurate or outright offensive, surely?
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Comparing JK's words to the "I have a black friend" defence is pretty daft. She's not actually said anything bad? Referring to transwomen as male might not be polite, but it's not inaccurate or outright offensive, surely?
It's the "I love ... BUT". And after the "BUT" you know something bad is about to be said. We hear/read it way too often from people who want to be woke but hurt a large amount of people in the process.
I suppose you can do some research and talk to transgender people who felt offended, if indeed you can't see what was offensive about it. I'm not here to educate people about what he/she said.

And it's not like the trans issue is the first issue she's globally having. See Elliot's post too.
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Like I already hated her with her insulting performative allyship claiming Dumbledore is gay without ever hinting at it in the books or the movies and claiming Hermione was black even tho she cast a white actor for her and describes her white skin in the books. Marginalised people are just an accessory to her that she can brag about on Twitter or whatever so itís no surprise to me she took the TERF route
I do agree there-the name Hermione Granger may as well be Cracker McIvory. What JK should have said is "I didn't imagine her that way but I support the casting"
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Like I already hated her with her insulting performative allyship claiming Dumbledore is gay without ever hinting at it in the books or the movies and claiming Hermione was black even tho she cast a white actor for her and describes her white skin in the books. Marginalised people are just an accessory to her that she can brag about on Twitter or whatever so itís no surprise to me she took the TERF route
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Given the backlash she received from so many people is really hinting at what is so bad that warrants it. It was insensitive and not fully thought through, at the very least.
Pretty sure it was well thought through. Wanting to protect womens sex based rights does not mean you hate trans people
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Pretty sure it was well thought through. Wanting to protect womens sex based rights does not mean you hate trans people
The "people who menstruate" thing hurt a lot of people, and really if she was a full-on ally like she claims she is, she would have known better before jumping on the topic. It's like, it's always "biological women" vs "trans women" for some of them, as if they were not compatible in the first place.

Talk about reading the room and knowing a big part of Harry Potter's fandom is LGBTQIA+ people...

As Eliott said, it really looks like it has been performative allyship for a while.
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Comparing JK's words to the "I have a black friend" defence is pretty daft. She's not actually said anything bad? Referring to transwomen as male might not be polite, but it's not inaccurate or outright offensive, surely?
She didn't even call them male. She just said trans women and cis women are not the same. Which they're not.
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Like I already hated her with her insulting performative allyship claiming Dumbledore is gay without ever hinting at it in the books or the movies and claiming Hermione was black even tho she cast a white actor for her and describes her white skin in the books. Marginalised people are just an accessory to her that she can brag about on Twitter or whatever so itís no surprise to me she took the TERF route
She never said Hermione was black all along. She said Hermione's skin colour was not a prequisite for the character so could be played by an actress of any skin colour.

The fact she gets grief for not limiting the role to white women only is completely bizarre to me.

And although Dumbledore was never explicitly gay in the books or movies, to say there are no hints is not true IMO. He was quite clearly in love wih Grindelwald in book 7.
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The "people who menstruate" thing hurt a lot of people, and really if she was a full-on ally like she claims she is, she would have known better before jumping on the topic. It's like, it's always "biological women" vs "trans women" for some of them, as if they were not compatible in the first place.

Talk about reading the room and knowing a big part of Harry Potter's fandom is LGBTQIA+ people...

As Eliott said, it really looks like it has been performative allyship for a while.
The "people who menstrate" thing was pretty stupid, that anyone got annoyed at her for it. Only women can menstrate, and the amount of women who identify as men is tiny, far too tiny to justify a change in language.

Also, lol at "LGBTQIA+" It's LGBT. That covers all deviations from straight and cis.

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She never said Hermione was black all along. She said Hermione's skin colour was not a prequisite for the character so could be played by an actress of any skin colour.

The fact she gets grief for not limiting the role to white women only is completely bizarre to me.

And although Dumbledore was never explicitly gay in the books or movies, to say there are no hints is not true IMO. He was quite clearly in love wih Grindelwald in book 7.
How can anyone say there are no hints, the man walks round in rainbow robes and talks about knitting patterns!
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The "people who menstrate" thing was pretty stupid, that anyone got annoyed at her for it. Only women can menstrate, and the amount of women who identify as men is tiny, far too tiny to justify a change in language.

Also, lol at "LGBTQIA+" It's LGBT. That covers all deviations from straight and cis.


How can anyone say there are no hints, the man walks round in rainbow robes and talks about knitting patterns!

It appears women have to take this type of descriptor on the chin without response? ...be quiet or we will stick a label on you and use it to abuse you is how that feels
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The "You are not trans so it has nothing to do with you" stuff she gets thrown at her is ever so slightly ironic tbh.
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Also, lol at "LGBTQIA+" It's LGBT. That covers all deviations from straight and cis.
LGBT was seen as less inclusive, hence the new acronymn. I don't make the rules over here. Go talk to the manager of LGBTQIA+ people then, Karen.
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She didn't even call them male. She just said trans women and cis women are not the same. Which they're not.
But does it really matter that they're not the same? (assuming they're not the same, as gender goes far beyond physical characteristics) I mean, they're women, end of the story. She chose the words she has used to talk about it, so she can't be mad people felt hurt. Again, it didn't come off right.
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The "people who menstruate" thing hurt a lot of people, and really if she was a full-on ally like she claims she is, she would have known better before jumping on the topic. It's like, it's always "biological women" vs "trans women" for some of them, as if they were not compatible in the first place.

Talk about reading the room and knowing a big part of Harry Potter's fandom is LGBTQIA+ people...

As Eliott said, it really looks like it has been performative allyship for a while.
It seems like Biological women aren't even allowed to speak about things that directly effect us anymore
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Trans women existing effects you how?

Trans women have been allowed in women’s bathrooms for example, for years, do you want that to change?
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LGBT was seen as less inclusive, hence the new acronymn. I don't make the rules over here. Go talk to the manager of LGBTQIA+ people then, Karen.
There's literally nothing else to include. "Queer" is nonsense and intersex and asexual are completely different to LGBT.
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As if Trans people ever told "biological women" they can't talk about it? When and where exactly?

When I see people thinking trans rights affect women's right, I-
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