[Tom4784]

Anyone who is minimising it is a fool.

Boris ****ed it all up, he should have wrote measures into law earlier, masks should have been mandatory when it was known that they actually had a positive effect and not weeks/months later. Most countries that have handled it well so far have taken decisive action and have stuck to it. The tory government was wish washy until it was too late and have given out advice that's often proved contradictory ever since. It doesn't help that you have senior members of government openly flouting the rules to absolutely no consequences....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anyone who is minimising it is a fool.

Boris ****ed it all up, he should have wrote measures into law earlier, masks should have been mandatory when it was known that they actually had a positive effect and not weeks/months later. Most countries that have handled it well so far have taken decisive action and have stuck to it. The tory government was wish washy until it was too late and have given out advice that's often proved contradictory ever since. It doesn't help that you have senior members of government openly flouting the rules to absolutely no consequences....

So any member who does not agree with you is a fool.

Sorry but why are you so aggressive??

[MTVN]

There's no doubt imo that it was real bad in late March and April and that it would have been worse if we hadn't locked down, obviously the lockdown came at a massive cost though. I don't know how people can see that there were over 50,000 excess deaths over what is normal and not think the virus was a big danger. Lots of mistakes were made which hopefully wouldn't be made again, and that combined with much greater testing, track and trace, better drugs/knowledge to treat the virus, the means to impose restrictions locally, greater public awareness etc should mean that we don't witness a second wave like the first

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's no doubt imo that it was real bad in late March and April and that it would have been worse if we hadn't locked down, obviously the lockdown came at a massive cost though. I don't know how people can see that there were over 50,000 excess deaths over what is normal and not think the virus was a big danger. Lots of mistakes were made which hopefully wouldn't be made again, and that combined with much greater testing, track and trace, better drugs/knowledge to treat the virus, the means to impose restrictions locally, greater public awareness etc should mean that we don't witness a second wave like the first

Most of those that died had under lying issues and elderly.

If the flue kills roughly 24 thousand people each winter and every winter it puts Covid into perspective

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Most of those that died had under lying issues and elderly.

If the flue kills roughly 24 thousand people each winter and every winter it puts Covid into perspective

I mean, we know the mortality rate of both quite conclusively now - seasonal flu is 0.1% and Covid-19 is 0.7%. So it's 7x worse than flu for the time being (that number is likely to drop as healthcare professionals get better at treating it) which isn't apocalyptic, but it isn't "nothing", it is significantly worse than flu.

[Ammi]

...things that are specific to COVID...certain ethnic groups more vulnerable and also males more vulnerable than females..?....that wouldn’t seem to apply to things like seasonal flu...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...things that are specific to COVID...certain ethnic groups more vulnerable and also males more vulnerable than females..?....that wouldn’t seem to apply to things like seasonal flu...

On the more positive side though, the very young (babies and toddlers, even healthy ones) are very vulnerable to complications from flu but are almost entirely asymptomatic with Covid unless they have other conditions.

In short, I guess, it's just important to say that they're totally different illnesses and there's not really much point comparing the two at all.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Most of those that died had under lying issues and elderly.

If the flue kills roughly 24 thousand people each winter and every winter it puts Covid into perspective

And Covid killed more than twice that in basically two months with the strictest controls ever imposed in this country so yes that does put into perspective how bad it was

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And Covid killed more than twice that in basically two months with the strictest controls ever imposed in this country so yes that does put into perspective how bad it was

To be frrrrrrr

The majority of those who died (when it was peaking at 800+/day) would have caught it before the lockdown was imposed, also a flu season (excluding the head and tail) lasts about 3 months, so you're not comparing 2 months of Covid to a whole year of Flu, Flu deaths are very clustered in December - February.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And Covid killed more than twice that in basically two months with the strictest controls ever imposed in this country so yes that does put into perspective how bad it was

No it doesn’t it killed the vulnerable in the same flue has been doing for hundreds of years if not thousands it’s a new disease that has caught the health care out because there was no vaccine.

We will have vaccine and the death rate will come down.

This is not the end of the world disease and more people will have died has a result of the restrictions that Covid brought rather actualy dying of Covid.