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02-09-2020, 12:26 PM | #101 | |||
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This is slowly changing, and there are more stay at home dads now. There is still a taboo around career women who put off having kids too, your post seems to hint that women are seen as unreliable in the workforce. It's attitudes like this that need to change.
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02-09-2020, 12:29 PM | #102 | |||
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How do you know this is happening, you appear to be stating a fact where is the evidence?
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02-09-2020, 12:42 PM | #103 | |||
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Something which would need evidence is the contrary view - why do you think women aren't being paid as much if they're "performing" as well or better? |
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02-09-2020, 12:43 PM | #104 | |||
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There was also a challenge by older female presenters who has been sidelined due to their age regardless of popularity of viewer numbers. This would not happen to older male presenters. I also think the analogy of the bullying salesman is outmoded and yet your point that men who exhibit an 'authorotative' air is seen as displaying a strength...For me that perpetuates patriarchy.
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02-09-2020, 12:47 PM | #105 | |||
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Not necessarily. ..the evidence is in the challenge from the female presenters...as I said proportionally to figures and popularity the salaries are miles apart.
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02-09-2020, 12:50 PM | #106 | |||
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Care to name one? If we have a name, it'd be easy enough to compare salaries against her counterpart. |
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02-09-2020, 12:50 PM | #107 | |||
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there wont be proper equality until people think of others as being equal and that's just not fundamental to human nature, we all have our basic preferences, whatever they may be, we will always prefer one person over another and it will never change. You can put legal safeguards in place, but that basic premise will never change
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02-09-2020, 12:57 PM | #108 | |||
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02-09-2020, 01:02 PM | #109 | |||
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i think there will perhaps always be that element. I think back to the time of Angela Rippon and Anna Ford where they took newsreading by storm and were enormously successful, and I'm sure their salaries matched their status as they were wildly popular with the public
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02-09-2020, 01:05 PM | #110 | ||
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Popularity didn't equate to equal wages back when they revealed the wages of BBC's top talent a while back, I think it would be silly to think that things would have been better years ago when no one was paying attention to such issues.
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02-09-2020, 01:08 PM | #111 | |||
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Look at similar presenters, Gary Lineker and Gabby Logan or Jeremy Vine and Jo Whiley they are miles apart. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...-arts-48839428
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02-09-2020, 01:11 PM | #112 | |||
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The conversation has veered off here somewhat... Let's get back to the opinion as decreed from the perspective of white male privilege provided in the OP.
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02-09-2020, 07:10 PM | #113 | |||
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Jeremy Vine not only has his daily show, but also Eggheads and Quizmaster, and while his Channel 5 show obviously isn't counted, it still raises his profile and makes his time more valuable. As far as I know Jo Whiley only has her daily show? |
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02-09-2020, 09:01 PM | #114 | ||
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You must be naive to assume that just because 'a' is happening that it is because it's all fair and 'b' is happening.
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02-09-2020, 09:09 PM | #115 | |||
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Then there must be something to show I'm wrong, there must be some women being paid less than men despite having the same amount of experience, screen or radio time, "fame level", and viewing/listening figures?
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02-09-2020, 09:38 PM | #116 | ||
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The fact you think it a mere coincidence that women earn less and must therefore be "less experienced or qualified" is naive in the extreme. Last edited by Marsh.; 02-09-2020 at 09:39 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 09:59 PM | #117 | |||
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I'll refer to an earlier post, where Kizzy mentioned pay differences between Gary Linekar and Gabby Logan, and Jeremy Vine and Jo Whiley Linekar is on Match of the Day, which is on all the time, and the World Cup, which is huge. He does SPOTY with Logan, who otherwise does bits and bobs along with the Commonwealth Games. Jeremy Vine not only has his daily show, but also Eggheads and Quizmaster, and while his Channel 5 show obviously isn't counted, it still raises his profile and makes his time more valuable. As far as I know Jo Whiley only has her daily show? I'm not saying anything is a coincidence, I'm wondering if there are any examples of women who meet all the same "criteria" as a male counterpart but get paid less. Last edited by Oliver_W; 02-09-2020 at 10:00 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 10:00 PM | #118 | ||
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02-09-2020, 10:04 PM | #119 | |||
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There's no evidence to assume discrimination is happening, as no-one can show that it is, so the safer assumption is that the criteria is being applied equally. Last edited by Oliver_W; 02-09-2020 at 10:04 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 10:06 PM | #120 | ||
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The pay disparity itself is proof.
"The men have earned their worth, the women need to work harder" is not... not anything really. Last edited by Marsh.; 02-09-2020 at 10:06 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 10:07 PM | #121 | |||
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Where is the disparity among males and females with equal air time, viewers or listeners, and profile?
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02-09-2020, 10:08 PM | #122 | ||
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Because we're not talking about Gary Lineker or Gabby Logan, we're talking about the general trend towards men and women of EQUAL position. Last edited by Marsh.; 02-09-2020 at 10:09 PM. |
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02-09-2020, 10:09 PM | #123 | |||
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I'm not saying that, I'm saying there's no evidence that women are being paid less for the same work, basically.
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02-09-2020, 10:09 PM | #124 | ||
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02-09-2020, 10:09 PM | #125 | |||
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No, I'm asking if there any examples of women being paid less despite doing the same amount for the BBC.
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