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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think there's a real problem with the term Mary Sue so long as it isn't gendered; there are plenty of examples (a lot more, actually) of male Mary Sue's. And you're right, they are just boring, whether it's because they're overpowered and there's no threat or because they're just bland with no character flaws. It's not realistic, is one of the main things. I mean Luke Skywalker (and his dad, it turned out in the prequels) were whiney little ****ers but that at least made them more realistic .

Physical "Mary Suism" was literally the reason they introduced Kryptonite for Supes as a deus-ex machina... and he also became an infinitely more interesting character when they introduced the Injustice-type stuff that shows that he is flawed and actually NOT un-corruptable. Another example is Thor in Thor 2 being painfully boring compared to Ragnarok and IW/EG, simply because he's gone off the rails a bit and that's just more fun. No one wants a perfect character.

Though I also think one of the main problems with the SW Sequel Trilogy is that they blatantly started pushing for a cash-in before they actually had a solid story and character direction locked in. They made it up as they went along, and it shows... all of the characters are shallow because they didn't bother properly developing them in pre-production.

I get that calling characters Mary Sue can be perfectly valid, but it makes me feel like "That Internet Guy" or a youtuber my brother might watch but there's a reason that no-one calls Princess Leia or Padme a Mary Sue, despite them both being decent fighters and great leaders, and it ain't because geeks hate women

With Superman I only ever liked him in Tomasi's comics when he was a family man, married to Lois Lane and they had Jon (Superboy) together. I don't know much about the Injustice game/s but the comics are by Tom Taylor, he's awesome.

I can't remember a single thing that happened in Thor 2 I think my brain just sort of shut down while watching it...

Luke and Anakin were whinging little sods, but they also had struggles and had to work to achieve what they did.