[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"Allegedly"

Yet... he's dead.

Again, I never denied the cop was a murderer but when the only evidence that he was a racist is "the man was black", then it's more than a little flimsy.

[Toy Soldier]

I think there was MOST LIKELY a race element as a matter of opinion. However it is true to say (from what is available to the public, at least) that there is no direct evidence that it was race related. It will be hard if not impossible to prove at trial. Hopefully he will be convicted of murder 2 regardless.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have had videos deleted and infractions for posting similar videos "dont show images of people dying. 13 year olds look at tibb"

a lot younger watch bgt............

That's the crux then matter though eh.


Saturday night prime time slot viewing has always been something families can enjoy together..to relax after a weeks work and a weeks school time..a time they can all get together...maybe it was Simon's last stance, who knows

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have had videos deleted and infractions for posting similar videos "dont show images of people dying. 13 year olds look at tibb"

a lot younger watch bgt............

You're comparing Diversity dancing on BGT to posting videos of people dying?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're comparing Diversity dancing on BGT to posting videos of people dying?

Yes

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Rob!

If you can't tell the difference between a real video of someone dying and a dance then there's really no helping you.

An adult could, a child however already shocked by the actual real video could have those same shocked emotions triggered ...7 8 9 year olds etc...


If you have ever seen a beheading video as an adult you can just imagine how an child would see the original video and its shocking images.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You realise that graph proves my point right?

Of course more white people are killed, because there are more of them, a quarter of the annual police killings belonging to a 13% minority of the population means they’re killed at a higher, disproportionate rate

Would you agree all are criminals?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're comparing Diversity dancing on BGT to posting videos of people dying?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes

LT I feel that at this point, it's important to let you know that no members of Diversity were harmed during the filming of Britain's Got Talent. The cop was an actor and was playing a role, he did not kill any Diversity members, it was just part of the act. ITV apologizes if this was unclear and for any distress that may have been caused in the snuff confusion.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

LT I feel that at this point, it's important to let you know that no members of Diversity were harmed during the filming of Britain's Got Talent. The cop was an actor and was playing a role, he did not kill any Diversity members, it was just part of the act. ITV apologizes if this was unclear and for any distress that may have been caused in the snuff confusion.

Laugh it up TS

It's not a laughing matter

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Laugh it up TS

It's not a laughing matter

Correct..

It has filled a generation of bgt viewers with hatred, be they racist arseholes or little black kids.

The dance routine has had that effect and it's not healthy..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Laugh it up TS

It's not a laughing matter

Equating a mediocre interpretive dance piece (I thought it was good overall, but the actual bit with the cop was a tad hamfisted) to ACTUAL videos of people being killed is quite funny.



Oh no oh gosh the violence aaargh help .

Originally Posted by parmnion

Correct..

It has filled a generation of bgt viewers with hatred, be they racist arseholes or little black kids.

The dance routine has had that effect and it's not healthy..

I doubt kids understood it or gave a **** about it. If they did understand it, then they're already aware of the situation via the general media or by being told about it by adults around them, and so a dance about it is largely irrelevant.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Equating a mediocre interpretive dance piece (I thought it was good overall, but the actual bit with the cop was a tad hamfisted) to ACTUAL videos of people being killed is quite funny.



Oh no oh gosh the violence aaargh help .



I doubt kids understood it or gave a **** about it. If they did understand it, then they're already aware of the situation via the general media or by being told about it by adults around them, and so a dance about it is largely irrelevant.

You doubt all you want..and speculate about children's feelings all you want...dont make you right though.

[Nicky91]

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You doubt all you want..and speculate about children's feelings all you want...dont make you right though.

Its doesn't make you right either Parm. My 9 year old watched, he thought it was a cool dance and that was the end of his thoughts on it. He saw all the George Floyd stuff on tv when it happened, he didn't really equate the two as being the same.

Kids TV now has equality and race adverts at practically every break, they know the score.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You doubt all you want..and speculate about children's feelings all you want...dont make you right though.

I'm just saying, the video did not feature any real violence or even anything that LOOKED like real violence, so comparing it to actual videos of extreme violence is an absolute joke. My daughter was, very unfortunately, shown a "viral video" of some poor chap blowing his head open with a shotgun a few weeks back... I obviously had to find the video to know what she had seen and it's burned into my eyeballs forever now.

Comparing something like that to a piece of interpretive dance is an absolute joke and really disingenuous.

If you don't want kids seeing actors depicting violent scnenes you'll need to complain to Ofcom about half of the kids shows on TV, cartoons, Superhero films, etc.

Kids (and people) can tell the difference between, and are affected very differently by, real despictions of violence and acted out ones/performances. That's not just opinion, there have been hundreds of massive scientific studies into this.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Its doesn't make you right either Parm. My 9 year old watched, he thought it was a cool dance and that was the end of his thoughts on it. He saw all the George Floyd stuff on tv when it happened, he didn't really equate the two as being the same.

Kids TV now has equality and race adverts at practically every break, they know the score.

...from a ‘school/educational’ type perspective, Annie...this type of thing is very positive in the opening up classroom conversations../debates etc...similar to when we’ve had political elections .../...both here and in the USA ...(...many primary children have very definite Donald Trump opinions../ ...as they do with Boris Johnson and they are able to vocally reason their opinions, excellently ...)...so many significant political issues/events etc are totally appropriate for children if presented and introduced in the right way as an opening to discuss and to ask about etc../... I personally feel this was...helping and preparing children for their ‘Voting age’ in being more politically aware, as it were...is a good thing for familiars and schools...BLM related things are very much appropriate for all ages....and presented as dance was perfect for families to watch together, I thought...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

BLM related things are very much appropriate for all ages....and presented as dance was perfect for families to watch together, I thought...

Hmmmmmm I think that's a little black and white (excuse the pun ) - I do think anything that aims to raise awareness and empathy for the situation is always appropriate for all ages. But I think anything that could be seen as a "call to direct action" or incitement is absolutely not appropriate for children and it would be a lie to say that there aren't BLM messages floating around that constitute incitement to violence or destruction of property. Whether or not those things are overall justified is a separate debate (we all know my feelings on the former, I'm more flexible on the latter) but no I don't think those things are appropriate for children.

Howeverrrrr the Diversity performance didn't contain those things by any stretch of the imagination, the dance was mostly observational and an expression of feeling and as you say, a conversation starter, a visual representation of the issues that had a totally non-aggressive depiction of a violent incident.

[Ammi]

...but that’s what I said though...presented and introduced in the right way, which I feel this was...there is obviously always going to be a ‘measure’ with children in what the focuses will be...

[Ammi]

..it will be interesting to see if there are any complaints sent about Alesha’s BLM necklace...

[The Slim Reaper]

Gallahads are still angry

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Gallahads are still angry

God this country is putrid these days.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

An adult could, a child however already shocked by the actual real video could have those same shocked emotions triggered ...7 8 9 year olds etc...


If you have ever seen a beheading video as an adult you can just imagine how an child would see the original video and its shocking images.

Children shouldn't be watching the original video.
BGT or any other television show aren't there to think about people's children for them.