[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

Bringing up issues of racism is fine, absolutely fine, but it doesn't always need to be discussed on every single topic that happens to include someone black/mixed raced/brown/asian etc. It doesn't actually help the fight against racism in general. It's counter progressive to assume people and the press are against Megan because of her race, it doesn't help the argument, it weakens it. The press may have been against Megan (for good reason imo) but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with her race. The press tear a part plenty of white people, if it sells, they'll sell it, simple as that.

Megan and Harry's behaviour has been questionable to say the least. It's all up for debate and criticism. Some seem to have a problem with this, and brand others against Hollywood's hottest couple 'haters'. Well would that make those for them 'lovers'? It works both ways. As for you saying im angry, throwing a fit, defensive? Well you do this all the time, it doesn't bother me it amuses me. It's an easy and cheap way to try and dis-credit any opinion, debate or argument on given subject. And it's kinda ironic in the sense that you're probably the most aggressive poster on this forum. **** blah blah blah ****** etc etc etc ****** white supremacists ****** racism ***** Trumps dick *****. You get the gist.



And defending some of their behaviour would in turn make those people megan lovers, it's swings and roundabouts. You can dislike someone without hating. I really have no idea why this ever became questioned? Is it all just love and hate, no in between?? Ridiculous.



Don't worry, im used to it now. Some people just need a bit more self awareness

So, you're telling me that none of the hatred Meghan gets is at all racially motivated? Really? You're gonna try and push that angle? The fact that you, a white person, also then tried to make out racism doesn't have to be discussed around in every subject featuring a non-white person is laughable. Racism doesn't affect you, but it certainly affects non-white people and a lot of this post comes across as you simply being tired of the discussion of racism which you should be glad you have that luxury. Non-white people can't be 'bored' of the discussion of it because they live it.

Discussion is good, not liking them is good but the level of hate they get is irrational and I truly don't think you'd be making the same argument if the situation was reversed and I was the one obsessively hating on Meghan. I think your tune would change then. The level of hatred they get is just not healthy, people hate them in the royal family, they hate them when they leave, they hate them for 'scrounging' they hate them for daring to get a job... It's insane.

I don't discredit opposing views, I argue against them. I don't need to make someone to discredit them, I just prefer to straight up argue why they are wrong. You're confusing me with others by saying that I rely on discrediting people when I make more efforts to write good arguments against opposing viewpoints. Also your last line on this subject is confusing, you find me to aggressive when speaking about white supremacists? Do you want me to treat someone who thinks of black people as subhuman with respect? Grim.

As for the weird 'Megan lovers' line. You're pushing false equivalency there. Defending someone against irrational hatred (IE, finding a reason to hate on a woman regardless of what she does) is not the same as being some sort of obssessed fan. Thinking someone is not worthy of hate is not the same as dishing out hatred on the regular.

As for your post to Jet, I'm gonna give you a tip, if you want to pull off a little gotcha moment by using someone's words against them, context is very important. If the context isn't there then your little attempt at a gotcha falls to pieces. Remember that next time, and you're welcome

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So, you're telling me that none of the hatred Meghan gets is at all racially motivated? Really? You're gonna try and push that angle? The fact that you, a white person, also then tried to make out racism doesn't have to be discussed around in every subject featuring a non-white person is laughable. Racism doesn't affect you, but it certainly affects non-white people and a lot of this post comes across as you simply being tired of the discussion of racism which you should be glad you have that luxury. Non-white people can't be 'bored' of the discussion of it because they live it.

Discussion is good, not liking them is good but the level of hate they get is irrational and I truly don't think you'd be making the same argument if the situation was reversed and I was the one obsessively hating on Meghan. I think your tune would change then. The level of hatred they get is just not healthy, people hate them in the royal family, they hate them when they leave, they hate them for 'scrounging' they hate them for daring to get a job... It's insane.

I don't discredit opposing views, I argue against them. I don't need to make someone to discredit them, I just prefer to straight up argue why they are wrong. You're confusing me with others by saying that I rely on discrediting people when I make more efforts to write good arguments against opposing viewpoints. Also your last line on this subject is confusing, you find me to aggressive when speaking about white supremacists? Do you want me to treat someone who thinks of black people as subhuman with respect? Grim.

As for the weird 'Megan lovers' line. You're pushing false equivalency there. Defending someone against irrational hatred (IE, finding a reason to hate on a woman regardless of what she does) is not the same as being some sort of obssessed fan. Thinking someone is not worthy of hate is not the same as dishing out hatred on the regular.

As for your post to Jet, I'm gonna give you a tip, if you want to pull off a little gotcha moment by using someone's words against them, context is very important. If the context isn't there then your little attempt at a gotcha falls to pieces. Remember that next time, and you're welcome

First of all, if you read my posts back, you'll see i said a small minority will be against her because of her race. Racist people come in all forms, bigots will be against any one different from them. By default some will be against her because of her skin colour. Just like some people are against gay people, trans people, even christians, muslims and so on. People based on race will always be discriminated against, even white people are (not on the same scale, granted). The fact that you, a white person, seem to know more about how racism works than me, a white person doesn't make any sense. What qualifies you more than me, considering we're both white males?

No Dezzy, a white supremacist is in the same boat as a black supremacist, a religious person who believes woman are a lesser species, and person who believes gay people should be killed. All scum. Being angry about that is fine/understandable. I think it's more your 'every trump supporter is racist and white supremacist' argument which i don't think is true, but that's a different subject all together.

No, in YOUR opinion they're wrong, just because you don't agree, doesn't make others opinions 'wrong' Dezzy. That's a terrible trait to have.

I know the Megan 'lovers' term is ridiculous, as is Megan haters. No point going over that, again.

And also, thanks for the advice i'll bare that in mind

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

First of all, if you read my posts back, you'll see i said a small minority will be against her because of her race. Racist people come in all forms, bigots will be against any one different from them. By default some will be against her because of her skin colour. Just like some people are against gay people, trans people, even christians, muslims and so on. People based on race will always be discriminated against, even white people are (not on the same scale, granted). The fact that you, a white person, seem to know more about how racism works than me, a white person doesn't make any sense. What qualifies you more than me, considering we're both white males?

No Dezzy, a white supremacist is in the same boat as a black supremacist, a religious person who believes woman are a lesser species, and person who believes gay people should be killed. All scum. Being angry about that is fine/understandable. I think it's more your 'every trump supporter is racist and white supremacist' argument which i don't think is true, but that's a different subject all together.

No, in YOUR opinion they're wrong, just because you don't agree, doesn't make others opinions 'wrong' Dezzy. That's a terrible trait to have.

I know the Megan 'lovers' term is ridiculous, as is Megan haters. No point going over that, again.

And also, thanks for the advice i'll bare that in mind

What qualifies me not to know more about racism but to have empathy with all who suffer bigotry is experience, I'm not straight, after all. It's not the same as racism but people who suffer bigotry should have empathy for all others who have suffered other brands of bigotry and hate. That, and the fact that I don't shy away from reality in anything I do. I'm not going to minimize racism and pretend it doesn't exist, I'm not going to think that racism is dead because I don't personally suffer from it. Just because I don't suffer from racism doesn't mean others do not and I will never pretend that it isn't a massive issue worldwide because it is. After all, I prefer reality to a comfortable lie.

....Did you really just try to 'both sides' White Supremacists? And what's this about 'Black Supremacists'.... Is that meant to refer to BLM? Do you see BLM as black supremacists and thus they are the opposite side of the same hate coin as White Supremacy? Is that what you're getting at here cus that's a whole lotta wrong in one paragraph. As for Trump, what reasons does anyone have left to support him? Everyone knows he's a fraud, he's killed 200k Americans with his response to covid, the economy was in a bad position before Covid.... Just what is there left to support Trump for besides the fact that he makes racists feel vindicated in their hatred? There's nothing, the only people left in his base are the racists and the extremists, if that upsets, argue against it.

That whole opinion line is just plain silly, this is the second post where you've tried to attribute false traits to me. I've always said that if you disagree with what I say, to argue against it and I'll do the same. Do you not know how discussion or debate works? There's no point in lying to me about me, I know myself, you are proving rapidly that you do not if you think I'm someone intolerant of opposing opinions when all I do is encourage debate. If you wanna play me at my own game, get better at getting a handle on people, on reading them because all your angry assertions in your last few posts towards me have just been plain wrong.

Nah, the 'Megan lovers' thing is just a **** response to people taking issue with the wanton hatred aimed at someone who, to anyone of a rational mindset, has not really done anything to deserve it. It's literally just a 'Well I'm I'm this then you're THAT!' type of response.

[jet]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ules-8szzq36cv

Meghan hit with £178,000 legal bill after losing battle over book.

The Duchess of Sussex has lost another round in her legal battle with The Mail on Sunday after the newspaper won the right to use a recent book about her in its defence.

The duchess is suing the newspaper in the High Court over its publication of a “private and confidential” letter she sent to her estranged father.

A judge ruled yesterday that Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL), publishers of The Mail on Sunday, could use Finding Freedom, a book about the duke and duchess published last month, as part of its argument that Meghan did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” with regard to her letter.

The judge ordered that Meghan pay ANL’s costs of £39,000 as well as her own costs of £139,000....

Ouch!

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ules-8szzq36cv

Meghan hit with £178,000 legal bill after losing battle over book.

The Duchess of Sussex has lost another round in her legal battle with The Mail on Sunday after the newspaper won the right to use a recent book about her in its defence.

The duchess is suing the newspaper in the High Court over its publication of a “private and confidential” letter she sent to her estranged father.

A judge ruled yesterday that Associated Newspapers Ltd (ANL), publishers of The Mail on Sunday, could use Finding Freedom, a book about the duke and duchess published last month, as part of its argument that Meghan did not have a “reasonable expectation of privacy” with regard to her letter.

The judge ordered that Meghan pay ANL’s costs of £39,000 as well as her own costs of £139,000....

Ouch!

Oh dear...she needs to get a better Lawyer.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Oh dear...she needs to get a better Lawyer.

Paying three and a half times the fees to lawyers does not mean they can buy the result they wanted.

The judge was not on their payroll and they will have to pay a lot more when they lose the big trial.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Paying three and a half times the fees to lawyers does not mean they can buy the result they wanted.

The judge was not on their payroll and they will have to pay a lot more when they lose the big trial.

It was said in jest...