[arista]

They should put this onto UK TV channel
CBS Reality

Ch 146 on Sky

[Maxxie.]

To be fair that is surprising that Tamar Braxton is the only black winner of BB US, is that right? I assumed it would be a lot more than that.

How many PoC's have won the 40+ seasons of Survivor?

Shows like the amazing race etc. it would be irrelevant though as that's based on pure skill and not popularity. From what I've seen of TAR though it seems pretty diverse anyway and that's only the early seasons.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Maxxie.

To be fair that is surprising that Tamar Braxton is the only black winner of BB US, is that right? I assumed it would be a lot more than that.

How many PoC's have won the 40+ seasons of Survivor?

Shows like the amazing race etc. it would be irrelevant though as that's based on pure skill and not popularity. From what I've seen of TAR though it seems pretty diverse anyway and that's only the early seasons.

Vecepia, Sandra x2, Yul, Earl, Natalie, Jeremy, Wendell
8 which is pretty representative of the population (20%)

[Maxxie.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

It's all related to representation of diversity on TV.
And both shows have had their issues with that for a long time.
I'm not against putting more deserving POC on TV to increase representation than the current white/POC split in USA.
Some past seasons of both shows didn't meet the same "76% white" criteria. We've had seasons with a much higher percentage than that yet we didn't hear white people say "oh that's too much, we need to respect the split by adding more POC". Never happened.
We all know a lot of acceptance, tolerance, diversity is through what we see on TV because it's normalizing stuff (ex: gay housemates on BB or any other shows back in the 2000s). It helps and I'm totally OK with that.

We do! The upcoming series of IAC has only 1 black and 1 mixed raced out of 12, and you can find me on DS saying that's not enough. On a site where most people would disagree or just not care. Its not really that big of a deal either way, but it would be nice for IAC casts to become more diverse.

So yes it does go both ways!

Also its different with 'normalising' stuff because PoC are normalised anyway as well as the LGBTQ+ community. Back in the early 2000s a lot of people probably didn't know anyone openly gay or trans but I now I think its fair to say that most people in this country probably do. Let alone people of colour.

I'd actually personally like to see more Asian representation in the showbiz/TV world. Again the UK asian population compared to black is a lot higher and I bet you can name a lot more black British celebs than Asian ones!

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

So you are saying ensuring black contestants make it to the end and to ensure they win is what matters? Regardless if they deserve it?

Tamar Brixton literally won the last season of celebrity big brother... so saying they will never win is ridiculous.. that was in 2019... it does not show that at all?

It’s an individual game based on strategy, colour literally has nothing to do with it... Danielle Reyes made the final 2... had there been three more people like davonne//David’s/bayleigh they’d still lose because they all sucked strategically! It was clear to see Cody/Enzo/Nicole/Dani/Tyler were dominating strategically in the game

You’re talking rubbish.

Tamar won because she played a pretty good game, colour is nothing to do with peoples chances of winning, stop acting like it is.

Why would seeing POC bother me? I’m just saying surely it makes more sense for BB USA cast to be representative of America because it’s the USA version..

I’m sure BB Africa is representative of Africa and has more black contestants and a lot less white contestants.. it’s not racist, just a representative of the country it is airing in.

Also they were not targeted for their skin colour.. ever? Can you please back this false I formation up? No one black was targeted for the first 3 weeks of this series of big brother, 3 white women were evicted first..

Clearly didn’t read my post or you’d have seen that her win was made more achievable by the fact the race balance had been slightly increased in favour of the POC’s

I also didn’t say POC deserve to win regardless of game, so stop putting words in my mouth. TV producers cast stereotypes and black players normally get cast in a certain role that is less likely to succeed in a social strategy game. By increasing the amount of POC players, it’s making it more impossible to just typecast under one stereotype.

I’m sure young minority children/teenagers and even adults watching BB21 felt awful seeing everyone who looked like them segregated and picked off one by one. Let them have the opportunity to see people who look like them and represent their successes and struggles do well and have equal opportunity to succeed.

The fact you’re so riled up about such a normal thing (equality within race) says everything I needed to know about you and I think you need to take time to educate yourself more.

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Maxxie.

To be fair that is surprising that Tamar Braxton is the only black winner of BB US, is that right? I assumed it would be a lot more than that.

How many PoC's have won the 40+ seasons of Survivor?

Shows like the amazing race etc. it would be irrelevant though as that's based on pure skill and not popularity. From what I've seen of TAR though it seems pretty diverse anyway and that's only the early seasons.

Correct, but celebrity aside there are no black BBUS winners. And it’s disgusting. But as I explained earlier it’s a game of numbers and a reflection of society ... create a minority within a group of people and divisions will automatically form and they will be less likely to succeed. Level the playing field and have equal representation from all races, sexualities, genders etc and the results will begin to look a lot more diverse and representative.

[Morgan.]

America is in a position where ignorance towards race and colour is shockingly high thanks to the rule of Trump, so although having 8 black people in a series of big brother isn’t what you see as ‘representative of modern day America’, it’s a step in the right direction of educating people about the injustices people of colour face every day and removing that prejudice.

[UserSince2005]

if they do 50% white 50% black and it turns into a race war this will be embarrassing.

[Withano]

Being progressive for the sake of it doesn’t impress me much

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

Clearly didn’t read my post or you’d have seen that her win was made more achievable by the fact the race balance had been slightly increased in favour of the POC’s

I also didn’t say POC deserve to win regardless of game, so stop putting words in my mouth. TV producers cast stereotypes and black players normally get cast in a certain role that is less likely to succeed in a social strategy game. By increasing the amount of POC players, it’s making it more impossible to just typecast under one stereotype.

I’m sure young minority children/teenagers and even adults watching BB21 felt awful seeing everyone who looked like them segregated and picked off one by one. Let them have the opportunity to see people who look like them and represent their successes and struggles do well and have equal opportunity to succeed.

The fact you’re so riled up about such a normal thing (equality within race) says everything I needed to know about you and I think you need to take time to educate yourself more.

Most people don’t watch reality tv or game shows to see people who look like them.... it’s a essentially a game show - if someone who looks like them doesn’t do well then it’s because they weren’t playing a good game... not everything is about race.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by MB.

It's funny how just putting "POC" in a thread title seems to bring out the people who never even watch the shows in question and are only interested in seeming reactionary, isn't it

don't make me tap the sign!

[Moniqua]

change is coming x

eye can feel it x

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Most people don’t watch reality tv or game shows to see people who look like them.... it’s a essentially a game show - if someone who looks like them doesn’t do well then it’s because they weren’t playing a good game... not everything is about race.

Yes I would agree that people don't tune into Survivor or Big Brother just to see people who look like them, but I'm sure it is also very frustrating, discouraging, and disheartening to see people who look like them continually get dealt a ****ty hand and not even be given a fair chance to succeed.

So yes, I think this is absolutely the right move and about time. A bit tacky that it took the state of the world *AND* BBCan doing the same thing first, but better late than never. I don't know how much more I can stomach of watching the same pretty white people band together and eliminate the minorities in BBUS year in and year out, and do not get me started on Jeff Probst shoving Survivor down our throats as some fake ~woke~ program and continually bait us into thinking this will finally be the year that a str8 white dude doesn't win.

[Maxxie.]

Is BBUS a bit like BBUK in the sense that PoC very rarely win but quite often come 2nd or 3rd. Is that a similar thing in America?

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Maxxie.

Is BBUS a bit like BBUK in the sense that PoC very rarely win but quite often come 2nd or 3rd. Is that a similar thing in America?

Nope, it’s rare that a person of colour makes it past the second juror spot. 8th was the highest this year which is I think the highest in a long time (excluding CBB)

[Nicky91]

PoC do well usually in my country's Survivor (Expeditie Robinson)

one had won in 2015, one of our weather presenters Amara Onwuka

and recent years

2018 we had athlete Gregory Sedoc as runner up

2019 even two PoC as runners up, radio dj Eva Cleven, the voice season 1 finalist Shary-An


as for Big Brother here idk, back when we last had it, not many PoC took part in reality shows, so i will be curious if this is different next year when BB makes it comeback

[Natalie.]

This is great news, about time