[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They are tested within an inch of their lives

But isn't the testing flawed? Somebody, I think it was Elon Musk, but don't quote me on that, took four of the same tests and two came out positive and two came out negative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what annoys me is that they have been closing everything, even establishments that have done everything they can to be covid secure. They shut all non essential shops, tell us we cant travel etc all to reduce the pressure on the NHS ... then that all goes out the window for a week at christmas, cause people couldnt possibly miss out on that. No restrictions will be taken seriously after that

yep agree, surely livelihoods should be put before meeting at Christmas, for alot of people it will be a blessed relief that they have an excuse not to invite the inlaws round

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

But isn't the testing flawed? Somebody, I think it was Elon Musk, but don't quote me on that, took four of the same tests and two came out positive and two came out negative.

A relative of someone i know left a care home to visit the dentist and tested positive on return, and negative two days later so I don't disagree

that said how do you explain 3 members of the same family dying in Wales recently

[Zizu]

So what about New Year’s Eve and New Year’s Day ??


Presumably there’s gonna be loads of mixing together then as well ?

So it will basically go crazy from Dec 22nd to the 2nd Jan ...TWELVE DAYS of ChristmasCovid ..


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[bitontheslide]

some of the fast tests are less than reliable, the proper lab tests are very accurate. The fast test used in the whitehouse has a 70% accuracy rate, which means it can miss 30% of positive cases.

[smudgie]

I am for relaxing rules a little over Xmas, but not forgetting most of the lockdown rules.
Hubby and I will be having 3 extra for xmas, they will be zapped when they come in, handed the sanitiser in case they have germs on their hands.
Daughter and her partner will isolate a good week beforehand and son will only take dog out for walks.
If people are sensible it could go well.
No doubt there will be those that go over the top, but then they would anyway.

[joeysteele]

All my relatives live in other cities.
So they can relax what they will.
No one will be heading to me, my Mum and cousin who lives in the same house as myself.

I think it would be a massive error to open up and relax too much over Christmas myself.

So not a single chance of risk will I be taking.

[MTVN]

I actually always love January because I don't get time off over Christmas so that's normally the time I relax a bit. Always like the pubs being dead quiet as well with everyone else on a health kick so I personally don't want to lose a month for 5 days that I'm not that fussed about although I do get that it's important to a lot of people

[Kizzy]

Let's not kid ourselves this is some act of goodwill by ebeneezer Johnson. ..this 'give your nana Covid for Christmas' pause in the lockdown is simply to appease business

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[bitontheslide]

I think a sizeable proportion of the population had already decided they were going to ignore the no mixing rule at christmas anyway. That's fine, its their risk to take, but it will have massive consequences and pile the pressure on to the NHS. Personally, i already canned travelling at christmas. I'm happy to wait until the summer to meet up and celebrate or when people have been vaccinated

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not kid ourselves this is some act of goodwill by ebeneezer Johnson. ..this 'give your nana Covid for Christmas' pause in the lockdown is simply to appease business

Exactly my thoughts Kizzy.

Mind you, whichever way Boris went with this he'd have stick for it. Nobody wants to be "the one who cancelled Christmas".

[Kizzy]

If we'd have locked down as soon as the 2nd wave started to hit instead of undermining the proactive stance Wales took who knows we would even have to have a pause. Wasn't it found that locking down only 2 week earlier in sprint would've saved 1000s of lives?

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If we'd have locked down as soon as the 2nd wave started to hit instead of undermining the proactive stance Wales took who knows we would even have to have a pause. Wasn't it found that locking down only 2 week earlier in sprint would've saved 1000s of lives?

Yes it was I believe.

I'm in Wales and the fortnight strict lockdown we had a few weeks back seems to already be showing significant results, cases dropping on a national level. Drakeford (our First Minister) has his flaws but I've been fully backing him through this pandemic. He's been firm but very fair. Sensible.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not kid ourselves this is some act of goodwill by ebeneezer Johnson. ..this 'give your nana Covid for Christmas' pause in the lockdown is simply to appease business

This is all about letting households mixing privately, it doesn't help business

If anything most businesses would rather it didn't happen and not face a month of lockdown in January

[bitontheslide]

The vast majority of businesses go down to a skeleton staff between Christmas and New year, its a public holiday/weekend for several of the days, so they would hardly be clambering to open. Essential shops remain unaffected, so what business is actually benefiting from household sharing? Pubs and restaurants continue to have covid secure environments

[joeysteele]

Obviously it has to be waited on to hear what the government is deciding re Christmas but also New Year period too.

I myself would be more inclined to stricter controls over Christmas anyway.
Not of choice as that means I cannot see family and friends, who I haven't all year now.

Just however to remove personal risk to myself and the 2 people who are resident in my home with me at this time.

For near 9 months now, we have been kept safe by how we've gone about things.

It's also not just about Christmas, I am concerned too at what they do after 2nd December.
There'll be those who have complied with this new lockdown, thinking come 2nd December, they'll be able to charge out and do all their Christmas planning and shopping.
If all non essential shops are opened up then too.

That 3 week period TO Christmas will also be a possible hotspot to creating more difficulties come January.
Even without a further relaxation of more, particularly in households, during the Christmas period.

Between the 2nd December to Christmas, there may be many who won't even feel ill, have symptoms or even know they're carrying this virus.
Meaning it could easily be passed on to those most likely to lose their lives or be much more seriously ill from it.

It's why, it doesn't matter to me what the government decides to do as to Christmas.
This year Christmas is myself, my Mum and a Cousin on our own to ensure not the slightest risk.