[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It sounds more complicated than that if it has to be kept below -70 degrees in temperature .

I'm just wondering what will happen next year , especially in summer when it's more widely available to us all .

The Moderna vaccine can be kept in a normal freezers
Oxford in a fridge

Imperial College are trialling a vaccine

There will be many more as well


The issue is how long immunity will last which is unknown at present

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

you can’t shoot ice into someone’s arm!

Don't tell ME what I can't do, you'll only make me more determined!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Don't tell ME what I can't do, you'll only make me more determined!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hit has been said numerous times that it has to be transported at minus 70, it’s then defrosted as you can’t shoot ice into someone’s arm! and it is viable in a fridge for 5 days

Why are only 50 hospitals doing them then ?


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[joeysteele]

I think it's really good news myself and I'd recommend to anyone offered it to have it.

Which has to be their choice as those I'm in contact with.
There's strong apprehension as to the speed this has happened..

I think some really informative involvement is required to be carried out patiently with those first in line to be offered this vaccine.

It's a tiny number and no way scientific but of 15 of those just in my own family, who would likely be among the second likely to get this.
Only 11 would take it up.

4 at present, are strongly opposed to even considering it yet without more information and understandable data.

Well I doubt we'll ever get the latter but I do think government and the science and health bodies, need to really put time in to removing the fears of this vaccine.

Myself however, I congratulate all, including those in government who have pushed for a vaccine, in getting to this point so quickly.
It is commendable.

It doesn't erase the scandalous wrongs of government previously which still need to be fully publicised and have a firm open inquiry into.

This however is and should be seen as very welcome and positive news.

[bitontheslide]

it's very positive news i think, and we desperately need some of that.

People who are at risk will of course be more inclined to get the vaccine than those not, and that's fine. Everyone can make their own choice dependent on their individual circumstances

[Cherie]

JVT on 5 Live


His latest football analogy

we got battered by the away team in the first half and they got a goal, its the 70 minute and we have scored a goal, so its 1-1, we cant throw it away now, we must hold our nerve until the 90 see if we can score another and nick it, but as it stands its a draw

PS

There are 5 more vaccines coming down the track, one of which might be a one shot only

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why are only 50 hospitals doing them then ?


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Well for a start we have just 10 million doses in hand? with 30 million more to come (Pfizer)

I expect more will come on board once more vaccines are received

[Nicky91]

just saying don't be tooo positive or confident about these ''vaccines'' how can they be ready this soon

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

just saying don't be tooo positive or confident about these ''vaccines'' how can they be ready this soon

because they are using technologies that are tried and tested, they didn't start from scratch

[Nicky91]

sorry to be more cautious anyway, and not as optimistic as others

i wish those who get the vaccine first very best of luck, since we don't know what the side effects of this vaccine is

i am wondering, is it really smart to give a vaccine (where side effects are unknown of) to elderly and vulnerable first?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think it's really good news myself and I'd recommend to anyone offered it to have it.

Which has to be their choice as those I'm in contact with.
There's strong apprehension as to the speed this has happened..

I think some really informative involvement is required to be carried out patiently with those first in line to be offered this vaccine.

It's a tiny number and no way scientific but of 15 of those just in my own family, who would likely be among the second likely to get this.
Only 11 would take it up.

4 at present, are strongly opposed to even considering it yet without more information and understandable data.

Well I doubt we'll ever get the latter but I do think government and the science and health bodies, need to really put time in to removing the fears of this vaccine.

Myself however, I congratulate all, including those in government who have pushed for a vaccine, in getting to this point so quickly.
It is commendable.

It doesn't erase the scandalous wrongs of government previously which still need to be fully publicised and have a firm open inquiry into.

This however is and should be seen as very welcome and positive news.

It’s kinda disconcerting to learn that all the other countries feel that we have gone far too soon on this to get an advantage ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well for a start we have just 10 million doses in hand? with 30 million more to come (Pfizer)

I expect more will come on board once more vaccines are received

I’m talking about the only ‘cleared’ vaccine .

They said there were just 800,000 yesterday ... with each person needing two doses ( 21 days apart) .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

because they are using technologies that are tried and tested, they didn't start from scratch

..: as I mentioned ... how can they be sure there will be no long term effects given they’ve only been trialled a couple of months ??


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[Vanessa]

It takes longer for the EU to approve the vaccine.
But I expect they will soon.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

..: as I mentioned ... how can they be sure there will be no long term effects given they’ve only been trialled a couple of months ??


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Look no one is forcing you to take it

When people have cancer they chow down on any medication offered, often experimental, we eat food and drink that have lots of nasties in it, we breath polluted air, people smoke, people take drugs, as someone said this morning nothing in life is risk free, but in vaccines if you are going to have an adverse reaction in the majority of cases they get a reaction fairly soon after the drug is administered, and they have not had any in the people trialled, apart from the usual sore arm, etc, that is not to say it wont happen in some, it might. If you dont want it dont take it, worry about yourself and let others make their own choices

My 85 year old aunt cant wait!

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Look no one is forcing you to take it

When people have cancer they chow down on any medication offered, often experimental, we eat food and drink that have lots of nasties in it, we breath polluted air, people smoke, people take drugs, as someone said this morning nothing in life is risk free, but in vaccines if you are going to have an adverse reaction in the majority of cases they get a reaction fairly soon after the drug is administered, and they have not had any in the people trialled, apart from the usual sore arm, etc, that is not to say it wont happen in some, it might. If you dont want it dont take it, worry about yourself and let others make their own choices

My 85 year old aunt cant wait!

Completely agree. If you look at the side effects of paracetamol you wouldn't take it!

My Dad has been on and off the shielding list since March - he is on his own, has had heart problems in the past and he is 73. He will in that queue the minute they say he can so his life can continue. As it stands, he has had no life for 9 months that resembles anywhere near normal.

We can worry about this or start to move forward. Its a worry naturally but something that you have to weigh up as to the impact on your life.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Completely agree. If you look at the side effects of paracetamol you wouldn't take it!

My Dad has been on and off the shielding list since March - he is on his own, has had heart problems in the past and he is 73. He will in that queue the minute they say he can so his life can continue. As it stands, he has had no life for 9 months that resembles anywhere near normal.

We can worry about this or start to move forward. Its a worry naturally but something that you have to weigh up as to the impact on your life.

and also with regard to being first, someone has to be first so why not the UK

If it were some other country in Europe there would be uproar that the UK had not approved, you can't win its just negativity whatever happens

[Vanessa]

I think it's very important that the most vulnerable are protected.
Deaths are going up at an alarming rate, so this vaccine offers real hope.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m talking about the only ‘cleared’ vaccine .

They said there were just 800,000 yesterday ... with each person needing two doses ( 21 days apart) .


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That's interesting, where did they say that? Yoknow this vaccine is potentially priceless and many will be willing to part with huge sums of money to be protected.
As we are the only country currently to have a vaccine what would the world's mega rich pay to be protected?

Can we be sure the doses the UK has are for us? If out of the several million we bought they are suggesting the amount available is 800,000 where have the rest gone?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s kinda disconcerting to learn that all the other countries feel that we have gone far too soon on this to get an advantage ..


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Oh I agree, there's been so much misinformation during this pandemic, I'm not surprised people have doubts and concerns.

Personally I'd support people getting it however I do understand the fears of those who will of course want this vaccine, however have insecurity and fear relating to it and how faster it's being put out to the public on the UK.

It's not always about choice to have it or not.

I'd say near all eligible for it would want it.
However their fears should not be dismissed as to its safety.
Also to the speed this appears to be possibly happening.

So I do see your point too.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It takes longer for the EU to approve the vaccine.
But I expect they will soon.

because they thoroughly review it, and we got 5 vaccines to review so that takes more time

[Nicky91]

netherlands todays numbers

5,641 new cases (706 more than yesterday)

153 new hospitalisations (11 more than yesterday) (1,595 in total)

21 new ICU patients (4 less than yesterday) (458 in total)

61 new deaths (5 less than yesterday)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

netherlands todays numbers

5,641 new cases (706 more than yesterday)

153 new hospitalisations (11 more than yesterday) (1,595 in total)

21 new ICU patients (4 less than yesterday) (458 in total)

61 new deaths (5 less than yesterday)

Can you add your Total Death Count
as well, please.