[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Nothing in that article is particularly reassuring ... at all .

Half dose followed by a full dose 21 days later ... both to be kept at below 70C ...


Whilst I appreciate our surgeons are brilliant I don’t quite as much faith in the over worked , often inexperienced nurses..

In one hospital stay I was nearly given a DOUBLE dose ( two injections ) of Warfarin - luckily I queried the second one !!

Whilst on another occasion an inexperienced nurse gave me EIGHT Piriton tablets with a glass of water ... luckily I knew to only take TWO ... but she didn’t !!

She’d mistakenly given me a whole days supply !!

This was ten years ago when the health service was NOT as stretched or underfunded.


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How can you run down an entire profession due to two incidents years apart?...

How silly. It's like saying you don't ride public transport because a driver was at fault in an accident once...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How can you run down an entire profession due to two incidents years apart?...



How silly. It's like saying you don't ride public transport because a driver was at fault in an accident once...

Well one was potentially life threatening and the other the 8 piriton tablets would have probably put me to sleep for quite some time .. not ideal when I was in for breathing problems !!

So pardon me for being slightly cautious...



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[Cherie]

FDA approve Pfizer vaccine for emergency use

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well one was potentially life threatening and the other the 8 piriton tablets would have probably put me to sleep for quite some time .. not ideal when I was in for breathing problems !!

So pardon me for being slightly cautious...



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Again they were 2 incidents years apart.. a little perspective?

Does that colour your view of the millions of medical treatments carried out by nurses or just inoculations?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again they were 2 incidents years apart.. a little perspective?



Does that colour your view of the millions of medical treatments carried out by nurses or just inoculations?

Both incidents were in the space of two months actually... and yes it has made me cautious of the ‘little things’ like administering medicine..


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

FDA approve Pfizer vaccine for emergency use

Yes but USA
has had the Worse Deaths in one day.
So they are far too slow getting their vaccine going.


China was first.

[bots]

they are now doing trials combining the russian vaccine with the Astra zeneca one to see if they can improve it. Thats not going to increase peoples confidence in getting vaccinated, i wouldnt trust anything coming out of Russia

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are now doing trials combining the russian vaccine with the Astra zeneca one to see if they can improve it. Thats not going to increase peoples confidence in getting vaccinated, i wouldnt trust anything coming out of Russia

Great ... combining two completely separate, unproven vaccines TOGETHER !!

What could go wrong !?


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Great ... combining two completely separate, unproven vaccines TOGETHER !!

What could go wrong !?


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They are just starting the trial now, they will not be rolling it out untested

They will be looking for recruits, fancy it Zizu?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They are just starting the trial now, they will not be rolling it out untested

They will be looking for recruits, fancy it Zizu?

they are trialing it in Russia .... good luck to them


Its actually not as daft as it sounds as they both use the same technology, ie a genetically modified cold virus

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Both incidents were in the space of two months actually... and yes it has made me cautious of the ‘little things’ like administering medicine..


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OK 2 incidents 10 yes ago. I'm not saying it wasn't important or downplaying the severity of what could have happened, however when you tar a whole profession due to a bad experience it is a tad extreme.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OK 2 incidents 10 yes ago. I'm not saying it wasn't important or downplaying the severity of what could have happened, however when you tar a whole profession due to a bad experience it is a tad extreme.

I certainly didn’t intend to ‘tar’ anyone .... just explained what happened to me on two occasions when the NHS was in a far better state and not overwhelmed ...


This kind of thing ..


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[Nicky91]

information regarding vaccine procedures for the EU countries

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I certainly didn’t intend to ‘tar’ anyone .... just explained what happened to me on two occasions when the NHS was in a far better state and not overwhelmed ...


This kind of thing ..


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Two not even nearly comparable events . .. :/

[bots]

the mass vaccination of people combined with the very particular way the vaccine has to be handled makes this all very challenging for anyone. People are being vaccinated now, if it has some teething problems, so what ... peoples lives are being saved by the thousands

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two not even nearly comparable events . .. :/

Of course they’re connected..

The last two bullet points show how there’s confusion .. that’s when mistakes are made


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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Of course they’re connected..

The last two bulket points show how there’s confusion .. that’s when mistakes are made


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Nope one was a clinical error and the other administrative. .. not the same.

[hijaxers]

My friends dad has had message to say his appointment is imminent ~ he is 89 and has copd.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope one was a clinical error and the other administrative. .. not the same.

The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

My friends dad has had message to say his appointment is imminent ~ he is 89 and has copd.

Hope everything goes well ...


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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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Nope all it shows me is nurses can make mistakes they are human ... to really eff things up royally you need the government.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The point I was making was the ‘potential’ for errors will be high in the current situation..


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I don't necessarily think you're wrong, not due to staff competence but due to the sheer scale of vaccination efforts.

However, I don't think there's huge cause for alarm - any errors are likely to result in ineffective vaccination rather than actual physical harm. The only real errors I can see occurring are clinical in the vaccines not being stored properly (which will just make them not work, it won't make them harmful) and administrative in people missing the second dose or getting it after too long a gap which again would just lessen effectiveness.

If the vaccines themselves are not harmful, then I don't think there's huge risk of harm being caused by staff error.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope all it shows me is nurses can make mistakes they are human ... to really eff things up royally you need the government.

Again my point is people make more mistakes when they are overwhelmed/ overworked / understaffed ..


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[Kizzy]

Inexperienced you said...
A degree not enough for you to administer a vaccine?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Inexperienced you said...
A degree not enough for you to administer a vaccine?

Not if they’re not used to doing it ...

I’ve had nurses who struggled to take blood before now ..

They’re talking about ‘training’ people to give the injections due to the sheer numbers involved


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