[Crimson Dynamo]

Officials cant even see a ball clearly going over their own heads when its out by 2 balls worth (west ham at weekend) so how anyone thinks they will be up to date with the latest woke language is a real stretch - especially from eastern europe

ridiculous

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Officials cant even see a ball clearly going over their own heads when its out by 2 balls worth (west ham at weekend) so how anyone thinks they will be up to date with the latest woke language is a real stretch - especially from eastern europe

ridiculous

As a professional match officials he should be used to working with different ethnic backgrounds so I dont see an excuse.

I dont understand what you mean by 'woke language' surely you can see that he cant just refer to players by race. How would that look?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Officials cant even see a ball clearly going over their own heads when its out by 2 balls worth (west ham at weekend) so how anyone thinks they will be up to date with the latest woke language is a real stretch - especially from eastern europe

ridiculous

It's woke language to use a player's name or number?

Sure.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's woke language to use a player's name or number?

Sure.

incorrect

if he knew neither then how does he tell the ref who is to be sent off?

he may well have said the ginger chap, the small guy the big lad or the guy with the pony tail.

Lets face the truth, the guy in question was sent off in a crucial game and that was at the root of all the outrage....

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect

if he knew neither then how does he tell the ref who is to be sent off?

he may well have said the ginger chap, the small guy the big lad or the guy with the pony tail.

Lets face the truth, the guy in question was sent off in a crucial game and that was at the root of all the outrage....

No. It's correct. A name or player number is not woke language. It's language.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect

if he knew neither then how does he tell the ref who is to be sent off?

he may well have said the ginger chap, the small guy the big lad or the guy with the pony tail.

Lets face the truth, the guy in question was sent off in a crucial game and that was at the root of all the outrage....

If he knew neither then he could've just simply pointed the Referee to the player that he wants sent off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If he knew neither then he could've just simply pointed the Referee to the player that he wants sent off.

thing is Mock we dont know very much about the incident because for some unknown reason the linesman has not been able to speak about it

as is usual for this period of history social media has already made up its mind based on the reaction of players who also did not know the full story and add in the racial hysteria that is playing out currently (based on video judgment and mob mentality) we have opinions based on nothing more than supposition.

Best to wait until actual facts emerge

[Cherie]

I think the problem lies in the different standards that have to be met in various countries in Europe, personally I don't think the official meant to be racist but he didn't see the issue in pointing out the offending player by colour, if the offending player had been white and he referred to him as the white one I don't think there would have been any issue My hairdresser is Romanian and the last time I had my hair cut she told me they had moved area and it was better as there were more white people there, I was like but she didn't appear to realise that what she was saying was wrong and she has lived in the UK for a while and that she felt she could just come out and say that, like she would probably have been sacked if I kicked up a fuss about it which I could easily have done, as it was the salon was closing so she is out of a job anyway.

[GiRTh]

No Cherie that isnt good enough. If someone says the black, the Indian, the Chinese then why not the N*gger, the P*ki, the ch*nk and when asked the person can simply say - Well, thats we call them where I come from'. Surely you see the problem.

After England players were abused in Bulgaria this issue was always going to come up again. Someone who works with different ethnic cultures has to be a a bit more aware of what they're saying

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also players cheat and lie all through the game, pretend to be tackled, beg refs to send players off, try to injure players when the ref isnt looking and in general do anything they can to gain an advantage. A player was sent off in a crucial game and all of a sudden this happens and we are all supposed to believe everything they say and do?

Lets wait for the facts and context

[Dogeatdog]

The players run round with names on the back of their shirt, in big bold writing and a number to identify who is who and yet the official still chose to use that term?

I’m glad the players chose to walk off.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No Cherie that isnt good enough. If someone says the black, the Indian, the Chinese then why not the N*gger, the P*ki, the ch*nk and when asked the person can simply say - Well, thats we call them where I come from'. Surely you see the problem.

After England players were abused in Bulgaria this issue was always going to come up again. Someone who works with different ethnic cultures has to be a a bit more aware of what they're saying

I agree but it seems the issue is he called the player black which he is, and the translation can be misinterpreted, when we are in Spain and I am attempting to speak Spanish, I never use the Spanish word for black in case it come out wrong! I am sure Spaniards don’t even think about it

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

No Cherie that isnt good enough. If someone says the black, the Indian, the Chinese then why not the N*gger, the P*ki, the ch*nk

Sorry, no, that's ridiculous. Indian, Chinese and black are not offensive words. Let's not make out they're anywhere in the vicinity of the n and p words.

It wasn't appropriate for him to use the player's skin colour as an identifier in the circumstances but that doesn't mean someone being white, black, Chinese or Indian is an offensive descriptor. It's not.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Sorry, no, that's ridiculous. Indian, Chinese and black are not offensive words. Let's not make out they're anywhere in the vicinity of the n and p words.

It wasn't appropriate for him to use the player's skin colour as an identifier in the circumstances but that doesn't mean someone being white, black, Chinese or Indian is an offensive descriptor. It's not.

It was simply an example of how far do you let this go.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree but it seems the issue is he called the player black which he is, and the translation can be misinterpreted, when we are in Spain and I am attempting to speak Spanish, I never use the Spanish word for black in case it come out wrong! I am sure Spaniards don’t even think about it

As Marsh as pointed out, the linesman shouldn't be referring to the player by his race.

[Cherie]

Well we will have to wait for an investigation, in my view racism wasn’t his intent but I may be proved wrong

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thing is Mock we dont know very much about the incident because for some unknown reason the linesman has not been able to speak about it

as is usual for this period of history social media has already made up its mind based on the reaction of players who also did not know the full story and add in the racial hysteria that is playing out currently (based on video judgment and mob mentality) we have opinions based on nothing more than supposition.

Best to wait until actual facts emerge

I get what you're saying, and I don't want the guy to lose his job.

But he should be more careful with what he is saying imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I get what you're saying, and I don't want the guy to lose his job.

But he should be more careful with what he is saying imo.

tbf he was talking one on one with the ref, he isnt a commentator and his comment was for the ref only

im pretty sure the issue came from the player not understanding that negru wasnt..well you know what

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

tbf he was talking one on one with the ref, he isnt a commentator and his comment was for the ref only

im pretty sure the issue came from the player not understanding that negru wasnt..well you know what

With the way the Football climate is like at the moment I'd stay well away from race related descriptions of a player.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

With the way the Football climate is like at the moment I'd stay well away from race related descriptions of a player.

i cant disagree there mock