[Cherie]

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal

Waves Irish passport

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I guess if you voted for Brexit in the first place you would say it was bad or even worse didn’t vote at all because you thought someone else would do your job for you, end of the day its a deal, I can only imagine the hand wringing if the UK went out on no deal

Waves Irish passport :smug:

Is Mr C Irish too?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Is Mr C Irish too?

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yup and the kids

Nigel who?

Lucky you

[Cherie]

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

There was no fantastic deal available to either party, so this is BS (especially when you consider my constant criticism of the labour party). We had the best deal and negotiated to give ourselves a far worse deal. If you think that's worth a celebration, then it's ideological not fact-based.

The diagram was put out out by the EU - it's simplistic but accurate. The whole brexit campaign was run on slogans based on lies which I don't ever remember being criticised by brexit supporters for either lies or being biased.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

In the realm of what ifs which I'm happy to partake in.

This deal would never have been the final deal of Labour or a coalition led by Labour.
No way.

Labour always would have wanted to include close ties to the single market and customs union.
So the issues and stumbling blocks would not have been there with the EU in the first place.

This deal is better than I expected from Johnson and his government, then again any deal seeing off no deal was preferable to me.

The deal would have never gone to the last week, or needed to, had Labour with other Parties been negotiating.
It wouldn't have been this deal however..

However too, yes, I'd support this deal if I was an MP, because I detested every thought of an even possible no deal.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

You know if labour had been in power and the exact same deal occurred they’d be singing how fantastic this deal is

The diagram also wouldn’t be incredibly biased and would be purely green ticks. “Pet passports” wouldn’t be on there

Nah, I have objectivity, something that's a foreign concept to you.

If a labour MP caused a stink about a deal that was drawn up years ago, just to facilitate a power grab and become PM only to agree to basically the same deal then I'd be angry too.

I hold people accountable, I don't just look the other way if they're on 'my side'.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

I have a tory MP, but if I had a labour MP I would. Not because I want a no-deal, but because labour should be in opposition, not unnecessarily rubber stamping things that harm the country.

The tories have enough votes to pass it, so this should be left with only their hands all over it. Starmer will be rightly criticising this deal early in the new year, just a month after telling his own party to vote for it. But then Starmer is just as shameless as anyone in the tory cabinet.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

There's no point, our MP is a tory rat that votes with the party regardless of the harm it does to the area. He doesn't give a **** because the morons keep voting him back in.

MPs don't have to listen when they know people will vote for them regardless.

[Ammi]

...There was no ‘golden deal’ to be had, with everyone ...(...as in those who voted for Brexit..)...feeling that they had ‘the deal’ they wanted...If people aren’t voting for the same reasons, which Brexit voters weren’t...then they weren’t and aren’t hoping for and looking for the same deal, would surely follow...?....and any deal was always going to have to be acceptable to both the EU and the UK, so a compromise, as it were and a giving of some things...so that was also always going to take things away from us that being in the EU gave us...will those things have shiny, bright new things to replace and balance...?...I would doubt it and the details will still have to be worked in or worked out or whatever...it is what it is, the vote was for the unspecified deal to be made, without any knowledge of what the deal was...and the trust was put into a government to make the deal that didn’t exist as it is now at the time of voting...quite a leap of faith that some business/livelihoods etc will not survive, sadly...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

can I ask those who say its a bad deal, are you actively lobbying your MP to vote it down

obviously remainers would have preferred the deal we had, what we are voting on above is what is happening now and the will of the people being enacted which is what I would have expected if remain had won

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That is literally not an option.. we leave in 2 days... As a remainer yourself are you happy with the deal?
The will of the people was the referendum not the deal...there's a big difference.
You can agree with the outcome of the referendum and still be against the deal there is no 'will of the people' attached to that.

i'm a remainer and happy with the deal. It has to be taken within the context that the country voted to leave the EU. We have to move on