[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

[Jeremy Hunt MP demands immediate national lockdown
amid warnings pressure on NHS is 'off the scale']


Look Hunt you are back bencher now
you failed by going against Brexit.

Pity he didn't care about protecting the NHS when it was his fcuking job.

A cabinet full of brexit MP's has proved to be the biggest disaster in this whole shambles.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

South African version of the strain is showing very early signs of being resistant to the vaccines.



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where did you read this?

[reece(:]

[bots]

Boris will make a televised address 8pm tonight

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

We definitely need a national lockdown, with ALL schools closed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Boris will make a televised address 8pm tonight

Will it be Live, though?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Scotland is already locked down and people were already told to stay at home with schools closed, so what actually is the difference from midnight?

It wasn't a strict Spring-style "don't leave your home unless absolutely necessary" and working from home was only heavily suggested, not mandated. It's not basically a full lock down like last spring; leave home for essential trips only (supermarket run, exercise) and WFH by law if it's possible to do so. Schools were closed until the 18th but now until "at least" February 1st.

TBQFH it's not all THAT different, just swapped out "heavy recommendations" for "you musts" that the exact same people will ignore.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It wasn't a strict Spring-style "don't leave your home unless absolutely necessary" and working from home was only heavily suggested, not mandated. It's not basically a full lock down like last spring; leave home for essential trips only (supermarket run, exercise) and WFH by law if it's possible to do so. Schools were closed until the 18th but now until "at least" February 1st.

TBQFH it's not all THAT different, just swapped out "heavy recommendations" for "you musts" that the exact same people will ignore.

that's my thoughts too. I think at this point they have run out of ideas but are making noises to appease those saying they need to do somethng

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

We definitely need a national lockdown, with ALL schools closed.

It honestly just feels like the latest in the endless parade of;

"We're sure the answer is _______!!"

We're sure the answer is hand washing, we're sure the answer is social distancing, we're sure the answer is putting clingfilm round all the bedding at Tesco, we're sure the answer is increased testing, we're sure the answer is... keeping the schools closed. THAT is what will make infection rates fall.

Followed by a when it doesn't, and a wild grasp for the next "sure answer".

[arista]

And as Reece post says
London Parliament back on Wednesday
11:30AM

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's my thoughts too. I think at this point they have run out of ideas but are making noises to appease those saying they need to do somethng

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

i've no direct experience of it but i have heard of friends and friends of friends that completely ignored the Christmas restrictions. Round here there is significantly less movement, it feels quiet, maybe not quite at the march level, but really reduced. And ... yet again, people have started walking on the road rather than the pavement, like pavements are a source of infection .... people are weird

[Ammi]

...just to say that schools don’t completely close down in a lockdown, there'll be provisions in school for vulnerable children and the children of /NHS frontline workers...so delaying the reopening at Primary level for a few weeks, while vaccinations are progressing, won’t impact on NHS strain...

[Ammi]

...and many Primary school staff have been unable to wear masks, so working without facial protection as well...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...just to say that schools don’t completely close down in a lockdown, there'll be provisions in school for vulnerable children and the children of /NHS frontline workers...so delaying the reopening at Primary level for a few weeks, while vaccinations are progressing, won’t impact on NHS strain...

Like I said earlier Ammi - I don't know if this is the same in England - but this time in Scotland we've had messages from the schools "heavily encouraging" alternative arrangements (at home) to be made even for kids who are in those categories (all ASD provision kids are technically allowed to attend). This is different even to the situation a few weeks ago, where they were encouraging us to have them return on the 7th even though mainstream wasn't going back until the 18th.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Like I said earlier Ammi - I don't know if this is the same in England - but this time in Scotland we've had messages from the schools "heavily encouraging" alternative arrangements (at home) to be made even for kids who are in those categories (all ASD provision kids are technically allowed to attend). This is different even to the situation a few weeks ago, where they were encouraging us to have them return on the 7th even though mainstream wasn't going back until the 18th.

...yeah I’m confident that your girls have great provisions made for them at home and obviously that must be a real challenge with your youngest at times...but sadly that’s not always the same for every family ...and safeguarding concerns are an ongoing thing, with many new ones escalating during the last lockdown, sadly...so schools will always have to make provisions for that with the least disruption to the children’s routine...as in possibly it not always being at their own school...that’s more rare, though...

[Cherry Christmas]

honestly it makes no difference to me or my family if we are locked down or not, its not like we are doing anything anyway apart from food shopping or interacting with literally anyone apart from if we meet someone on the street and its been the same since March so I could care less what they do at this stage.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Basically they're trying hard to control all of the parts they can control, while the actual source of continued infection can't be mandated against; people ignoring guidance and meeting up, often indoors in private.

My neighbours still have 4 - 8 people in the "pub-shed" in their garden at least once a fortnight. Have done the entire pandemic. I don't imagine this is unusual. I suspect they think they're "doing their bit" as they used to regularly have 20+ people round pre-pandemic.

I see people's friends and family "sneaking" in and out of their homes all the time and I don't even live on a "bad street" ... schools my arse ... people are blatantly in and out each other's houses constantly.

pretty much this, i know of at least two people who travelled from Tier 4 to Tier 2 over Christmas and excused it by saying they were in a 'bubble' although they are already in a bubble elsewhere, there is a lot of bending the rules to suit themselves and it's everyone else responsibility to follow the rules

people said on the when will we be back to normal thread, that people 'wont forget' some have forgotten already, they don't even care about stepping back from people in supermarkets

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

where did you read this?

LBC radio and I think they’ve mentioned it on Sky News this afternoon


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Boris will make a televised address 8pm tonight

Well that’s well over 24 hours then

[arista]

Today
58,784 have caught Covid-19


407 Deaths


Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,823

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

75,431 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[reece(:]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Today
58,784 have caught Covid-19


407 Deaths


Patients in hospital
Latest available
23,823

Patients on ventilation
Latest available
1,847

75,431 Total deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

... and Monday’s figures as falsely lower aren’t they with that ‘weekend delay’ factor .

I fear that tomorrow’s infections number will be horrendous ...


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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by reece(:

LOL, as if one would expect music festivals to go on again this soon

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah I’m confident that your girls have great provisions made for them at home and obviously that must be a real challenge with your youngest at times...but sadly that’s not always the same for every family ...and safeguarding concerns are an ongoing thing, with many new ones escalating during the last lockdown, sadly...so schools will always have to make provisions for that with the least disruption to the children’s routine...as in possibly it not always being at their own school...that’s more rare, though...

Oh I have absolutely no doubt that the same kids who vanished off the face of the earth last time will be AWOL again this month. Thankfully there are no kids in my daughter's class who are actually at physical risk - they all have, at least, comfortable homes with parents who are taking care of their GENERAL wellbeing - the kids who are missing from the online classes are healthy and happy "in the moment" ... just falling further and further behind. I honestly think there are kids who, at this point, already have no chance of ever catching up to where they should be at this point. They're in their final Primary School year and there are multiple kids in that class who are going to be heading off to their first year of high school next year simply not prepared for the step up. Best we can hope for, I think, is for high schools to be aware of that and ready to support those kids next year, and not be too surprised when they're not at the expected level.

Of course things get even more complicated when there are kids in the class who might not even be being looked after properly at all and don't have other adult eyes on them for months on end...

I think that's really why many people can't understand why it's not a simple decision. Most people expect that kids are at least happy and healthy at home with their family... and are blissfully unaware that this is not always the case