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23-01-2021, 09:57 AM | #226 | |||
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Tbh at this point I think Pink News is a psy-ops aiming to make normal LGBT look like crazy weirdos...
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23-01-2021, 10:04 AM | #227 | ||
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Maybe you can see it better flipped, I don't know. Your post was aimed at people who you personally have decided are in your opinion transphobic, not an objective category of "transphobic people"... and not aimed at people who have concerns that you believe to be genuine, not an objective category of people with genuine concerns. I think that's an important distinction to make and the root of the disagreement here, but other than that I'm sure we can leave it there. |
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23-01-2021, 10:09 AM | #228 | |||
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...I’m not shutting anything down or anyone down by suggesting that you at least of anyone, would have some understanding of both sides because your stance has been firmly fixed and stated on both sides...I explained that really clearly that it’s hard for me to fathom what is appearing as a complete lack of tolerance or understanding the view you’re now so vehemently opposed to the point that you’re using language like gobsmacked and naive etc...(...those exact descriptives might be incorrect but it’s a similar vein...)...I also commended a change in view when something has caused a view to be reconsidered, that’s why discussions.../...absorbing others is so important....and liking or disliking conflict has no bearing whatsoever, I don’t ‘pussy foot’ around either, hence when I’ve felt I’ve wanted to comment in the thread and how I have commented... |
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23-01-2021, 10:20 AM | #229 | ||
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We agree that discussions and absorbing the opinions of others is important, which is why I find it odd that you're suggesting I should temper my current opinions, or offer a "both sides argument" to incorporate a point of view that I now entirely disagree with . I'm also not lacking tolerance, nor refusing to take on board new opinions on this thread... I just haven't actually seen any opinion here that's new to me. If someone were to present an alternative way of looking at things, I am as always entirely open to giving that some thought. |
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23-01-2021, 10:27 AM | #230 | ||
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Transhobia is very clear with clear motives. All I said to transphobic people is: try to be more accepting and don't be threatened by transpeople. Again, not at people are NOT transphobic and have genuine concerns about it like most lovely members on this forum. You know what, next time I will keep my message of tolerance and loving each other to myself since it's a big problem. Can I just add that some people read this forum, member or not, and I thought it was cute to tell some of them who MIGHT be transphobic (in accordance to objective facts) that transpeople are not to be worried about and there's no reason to be fearful. And also, just because I work with LGBT+ communities does not mean I'm insensitive to what women feel. I had very interesting conversations with Vicky last night and other people about surgeries, access to same sex places etc Trying to dig deeper into it. I guess that's all for nothing. I have to go to the local shelter, have a lovely weekend everyone! And love each other
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23-01-2021, 10:42 AM | #231 | |||
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... Remy in giving his own valued experience in working in LGBT shelters is indeed offering something new to the topic and another aspect to be welcomed because it also balances and equates with the vulnerability of females/...not dismissing or lessening...the safety and safeguarding of born females and of transgender females (both)..two very vulnerable sections of society that need to be considered in these conversations of safe spaces...(..not TiBB conversations, but those that will make decisions about safeguarding with this...)... ....so far as the U.K. is concerned and something ‘new’ which I added yesterday...(...or at least I hadn’t been aware of it so I posted it..)...Self ID has been rejected by the government and is not something that will be applied in this country...obviously I don’t know with other and all countries and competitive sport will hopefully be something that’s addressed also in the up and coming... Last edited by Ammi; 23-01-2021 at 10:46 AM. |
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23-01-2021, 11:09 AM | #232 | |||
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I disagree that saying it's naive to believe that there aren't points of collision between trans rights and women's rights is "patronising" - it is naive, because there clearly are. Again I understand that you think "naive" is a personal insult, but it's just a descriptor. I'm not saying "they are naive people", I'm saying it's a naive opinion... this is somewhat down to semantics and definitions I suppose. Naive can be used as a slur, but it's not a slur inherently. Quote:
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Anyway, slightly off on a tangent, my only real point here was that the UK's current position could change at any time, or with any change of government, so it's not a case of "so that's that now". People will continue to lobby so the discussion will stay active. |
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23-01-2021, 11:28 AM | #233 | |||
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....there was absolutely no suggestion ‘ so that’s that now’ in terms of any discussion ...Remy had added something new to the topic of his own personal experiences with LGBT/trans abuse victims and I had added that information that I stated, I hadn’t been aware of and want sure whether it was widely known...(...we have been diverted with a pandemic focus...)...so was potentially offering ‘something new’ as well, which you felt would be interesting to do because there hadn’t been anything new...how anyone receives any of those aspects or anything not previously discussed is entirely up to them, it can be held or dismissed or whatever but they were there and offered in good faith...
...anyways, ‘conversations and discussions etc’...are not just about speaking and listening, they’re about many things and one being ‘the right time’ and I don’t feel atm this is going anywhere other than in circles ...so (...for now...)...I’ll just skip right on by the rest of your post/words...and really, enjoy the rest of your Saturday... |
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23-01-2021, 11:34 AM | #234 | |||
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If you didn't mean this forum then I'm not sure, given the above, you can really get frustrated at anyone else for the misunderstanding? Be more careful what you wholeheartedly agree with if... you don't? And if you do, don't try to backpedal. |
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23-01-2021, 11:43 AM | #235 | |||
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...that’s really unfair and shabby when Remy went on to explain and expand and clarify...he’s made many very considered posts throughout the thread but this where we’re at so ‘conversations must be had’ isn’t really the place it’s at, it seems....I’m gone.../...just shabby...
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23-01-2021, 11:43 AM | #236 | |||
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I did also respond to Jessicas post so no need to talk to her
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23-01-2021, 11:50 AM | #237 | ||
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23-01-2021, 11:53 AM | #238 | |||
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...so patronising and all so conducive of encouraging open conversation/discussion and not shutting down...
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23-01-2021, 11:54 AM | #239 | |||
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...don’t worry about the edit, TS...really I’m a grown up and I’m sure I’ve had much, much more patronising...
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23-01-2021, 12:01 PM | #240 | ||
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I edited it almost as soon as I posted it because it's not part of this thread... I guess the most respectful way to put it, Ammi, is to say that I don't want to argue with you (or anyone) about other people's posts or opinions. This isn't the first time so I'm just not going to do it any more. Let people fight their own corner.
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23-01-2021, 06:29 PM | #241 | ||
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