[jet]

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!).
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

[Rustic bauble]

Poor Harry....seriously he really just seems to be in the shadows...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Why would paedophiles be out of sight and out of mind ...a stupid thing to say. Andrew will get what’s coming to him...but this thread isn’t about him.

Read what I said properly before saying it's stupid because you've completely misunderstood what I've said. People seem content with him just being gone from the public eye, while I don't think that's right. Every day he isn't in custody is a day that the system fails his victims, if people have enough time to hate Meghan for breathing, they damn well have enough time to keep the conversation and awareness going for Andrew's crimes.

He won't get what's coming to him because people would rather be mad about Meghan living her life than a peadophile escaping justice. We should be hearing every day about how a known predator is not in custody but instead we hear about Meghan doing something perfectly normal and that she's the spawn of Satan for doing so. It's easy to cover up Andrew's horrific crimes when you've got the public's attention on a hate figure instead.

The thread is about royals, I'm bringing up a valid point in that people will hate Meghan more than an actual peadophile royal and that the hatred she gets is just dumb and OTT and I've yet to see a counter argument against what I'm saying.

[Tom4784]

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when parts of the public are willing to throw their money away just to have their confirmation bias tickled a bit.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's so easy to rinse people who have confirmation bias, it seems

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when these people are willing to throw their money away on such ****.

I'm surprised Samantha didn't go in the Big brother house , she would of loved the extra exposure and any chance to bash Meghan of course .

[Tom4784]

Her father's side of the family just seem to be repugnant. I couldn't imagine trying to ruin my sister's happiness for a few cheques from the media. I couldn't imagine being a father and trying to profit from trying to make my daughter miserable. They are scum.

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Any sensible person would look at Samantha Markle's book and by highly sceptical of it's reliability. After all, she's a woman who, like her father, tried to profit from her sister's marriage and then spent months trashing her in the press for paycheques. She basically played the role of an Ugly Stepsister from Cinderella in real life yet people will ignore that just because she tells them what they want to hear and will charge them for the price of two books while she's at it.

I can't really blame her for doing so when parts of the public are willing to throw their money away just to have their confirmation bias tickled a bit.

Literally this. As long as there’s gullible hateful people out there obsessed with trashing her then they will see no issue with her loathsome family making a dime off her name. They haven’t so far. Ironic when you consider Harry and Meghan are bashed for apparently cashing in on their titles.

[jet]

It all stems from Meghan freezing out both her mother Doria's side and her fathers side of the family once she had some fame and was seemingly ashamed of them all. And when she married Harry, Doria was the only member of her side of quite a large family who was invited.
Instead there were many celebrities there who had never even met Meghan and some who had never met Harry either. It was all shallow showboating.

Meghan isn't little Miss Innocent and her extended family all scum. IMO It starts with Meghan being an arrogant, manipulative ruthless snob with a cold heart as she still is to this day.

[Ammi]

...it’s just all terribly, terribly sad and it becomes more and more clear and understandable why Harry and Meghan made the decision that they did, to step down ...this quest to make money from her and from any fragmented family situation...it’s just all been so tacky and so heartless ...but I doubt that it will ever stop while it’s constantly being absorbed, it’ll continue ...it’s good to see some sources/magazines already condemning the book but it won’t be enough with so many tabloids etc printing their little ‘juicy bits’ and using it to hound her further...Meghan will have to endure that and any possible stress throughout her pregnancy, sadly...she never really could do right for doing wrong and so many too readily and eagerly wanting to see wrong so that’s always what will be seen...as a working Royal and part of ‘the firm’ she would never have been allowed to comment, either...any possible comment if allowed would always have been expected to have been written for her because that’s the Royal way, so she would have just had to take whatever negativity and ‘hate’ thrown at her and on and on and on...at least now she’ll feel more control to be able to speak if she chooses on her terms and to be able to actually use her own words...


...I was reading what some court documents have said...and these below in particular stood out for me because she’s obviously pregnant again now...but still it continues and sadly I think, always will...because that’s the nature of negativity and how it grows and widens, like a pebble skimmed in a pond ... it’s just so heartbreaking for her but I fear she’s too valuable to the media and bad feeling against her has too much energy...it is what it is and I doubt will ever end...

“The Claimant had become the subject of a large number of false and damaging articles by the UK tabloid media, specifically by the Defendant, which caused tremendous emotional distress and damage to her mental health. As her friends had never seen her in this state before, they were rightly concerned for her welfare, specifically as she was pregnant, unprotected by the Institution, and prohibited from defending herself.”

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Poor Harry....seriously he really just seems to be in the shadows...

...to be fair though, Rusti...there wasn’t ever any feeling of ‘poor Harry’ when so much of the media and public speculated so openly about his ‘parentage’ for so many years...how he must have felt about that and how damaging for his mental health and just another indication for his difficult media relationship...no consideration that the person that was hurt most in that speculation was poor Harry himself...but now poor Harry because it fits with the focus on Meghan and the dislike of her and it’s always all Meghan’s fault etc so poor Harry...when he’s been subjected to some really awful stuff by so many sources who are now saying poor Harry...

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by jet

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!).
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by jet

Reading Samantha Markles book ‘Diary of Princess Pushy’s sister’ Part 1 (what a title!).
Sam comes across as uncompromisingly honest (about her own failings too) and very warm and courageous. A lot about her own life, living with MS, less about Meghan really, who she appears to have adored as a little girl.

Some snippets:
At Meghans first wedding to Trevor, the guests all received cannabis goody bags.
Her Dad and Samantha and other family were invited to her first wedding but instead of the early expected invitations to her wedding to Harry they were all frozen out.
Meghan didn’t want her Dad at the wedding, even though he was invited.
Doria was ‘playing away’ (she hints it was with women) and Sam found compromising photos in her dressing table drawer.
Meghan was spoiled rotten, was given the best of everything and grew into a bit of a brat.
Once she got on Suits, she didn’t return any of Sam’s calls.

Nothing earth shattering, not a literary masterpiece by any means, but surprisingly enjoyable. It’s a best seller on Amazon. 4 stars in reviews.

There will be a Part 2 - more about Meghan then I think.

More evidence if more was needed...

[Ammi]

Here's the deal with payment for Meghan and Harry's Oprah interview...




Meghan Markle and Prince Harry got everyone talking earlier this week when it was announced the couple would be giving an interview - the first they've done since stepping down as senior royals - to Oprah Winfrey. CBS will be running the primetime special on 7 March (find out how you can watch it in the UK here) and no doubt viewers will be tuning in in their millions.

The "wide-ranging" interview is set to cover everything from what it was like for Meghan "stepping into life as a royal, marriage, motherhood, philanthropic work to how she is handling life under intense public pressure," according to a statement from CBS. Prince Harry will later join in to share more on the family's move to the United States, and "their future hopes and dreams for their expanding family." It sounds like it'll get pretty deep, so are Meghan and Harry getting paid for speaking to Oprah?

There has been speculation either way, but it seems not. Page Six reports the couple aren't taking a fee for the interview with their friend and neighbour, writing: "A spokeswoman for the Oprah Winfrey Network confirmed that the couple won’t be collecting a paycheck and said that no donations are being made to their charity."


While there were news outlets that would probably have paid millions for this exclusive insight into Meghan and Harry's lives and minds, it seems that's not what it's about. And if that is the case, it's not particularly surprising.


Meghan Markle has long been the target of unwarranted invasion into her life. She faced regular harsh and unnecessary criticism after joining the royal family, and ultimately ended up suing a newspaper (and winning) after they published parts of a private letter written to her father following her May 2018 wedding.

Naysayers might argue that giving an interview goes against Meghan's desire for privacy, but I think it does the exact opposite. It allows her to tell her story in her own words; something she was unable to do in her position as a working member of the British royal family.

For the Sussexes, setting the record straight is clearly important to them, and without sounding too much like the Mastercard advert... that's priceless.


https://uk.yahoo.com/style/heres-dea...112300445.html

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s just all terribly, terribly sad and it becomes more and more clear and understandable why Harry and Meghan made the decision that they did, to step down ...this quest to make money from her and from any fragmented family situation...it’s just all been so tacky and so heartless ...but I doubt that it will ever stop while it’s constantly being absorbed, it’ll continue ...it’s good to see some sources/magazines already condemning the book but it won’t be enough with so many tabloids etc printing their little ‘juicy bits’ and using it to hound her further...Meghan will have to endure that and any possible stress throughout her pregnancy, sadly...she never really could do right for doing wrong and so many too readily and eagerly wanting to see wrong so that’s always what will be seen...as a working Royal and part of ‘the firm’ she would never have been allowed to comment, either...any possible comment if allowed would always have been expected to have been written for her because that’s the Royal way, so she would have just had to take whatever negativity and ‘hate’ thrown at her and on and on and on...at least now she’ll feel more control to be able to speak if she chooses on her terms and to be able to actually use her own words...


...I was reading what some court documents have said...and these below in particular stood out for me because she’s obviously pregnant again now...but still it continues and sadly I think, always will...because that’s the nature of negativity and how it grows and widens, like a pebble skimmed in a pond ... it’s just so heartbreaking for her but I fear she’s too valuable to the media and bad feeling against her has too much energy...it is what it is and I doubt will ever end...

“The Claimant had become the subject of a large number of false and damaging articles by the UK tabloid media, specifically by the Defendant, which caused tremendous emotional distress and damage to her mental health. As her friends had never seen her in this state before, they were rightly concerned for her welfare, specifically as she was pregnant, unprotected by the Institution, and prohibited from defending herself.”

A superb post Ammi as always.
Fair and reasoned.

It's incredible to me anyway that anything at all on Meghan Markle is dug out, analysed and always presented as a negative to her.
Dissecting her past, her present and the only future it seems some of the public would like for her was if she was away in some fortress and never heard of again.

Although they'd need to find a new target then for their total negativity because it's clear from that negativity that this Duchess can never do anything right and also never has to them.

It's why I'll put my points on here and avoid even reading them now as you know what's coming.
I'm sure that will be done with my thoughts too.

I'm not clamouring for handclaps and the feeding of my position.
I just find it sad that adults will call debate, what is nothing more than a from her past, present and likely into her future too, a character assassination and tearing to pieces a woman they don't know, have never met, and who has chosen to live her life a certain way for her, Hur husband and their immediate family.

How people live their lives is down to them, not how others think they should.
We all, myself, we all have flaws,
Unless someone is breaking laws, then to character assassinate on every thing that's been said or read.
Oh boy that's really sad.

It's been asked for substantiated facts, of her lying ,her doing wrong.
Nothing has been forthcoming, just examples of things her critics haven't liked..
As if she has no right to do and say what she wants, that she should be controlled to please those who find her intensely annoying to them, because she doesn't fit the image expected of her.

That's not debate at all, to call it so is a misrepresentation of the word.
In debate, you listen as well as speak.
I have listened to the negative side and still see nothing that's worthy of her being considered a bad person or doing wrong or lying.

In listening, and willing to listen further, it's been asked not for tabloid extracts or those with grudges trying to make money out of those grudges.
It's been asked for solid facts, fully substantiated of her doing wrong and lying.

That hasn't been given, because it cannot be.
Because there's nothing of substance.

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are 2 determined characters and personalities.
Who clearly fell deeply in love with each other.

He was seen as a wayward Prince because he wildly partied etc:
Then he insisted in his military career to be where the danger was, rather than get an easier ride on service.
He had created his own mark on things such as the Invictus games he set into play too.

She, clearly has a strong mind too, is an actress, whether some think she's a good one or bad one is down to personal taste.
She like myself, like Harry , like everyone in fact, will have made misjudgements, wished she'd done some things differently.

Together however they make a formidable and supportive team, for them and their child, soon to be children.
So I applaud their efforts to do that.
Just wishing them well to do so too.

It seems, were she to have stayed in the like straitjacket life of the Royal Family expectancy, and dutifully walked about smiling at Prince Harry's side on all duties and events.
Then she'd be seen as more acceptable.

Yet Harry hasn't wanted that either I would think I only THINK that way because I don't KNOW him personally.
I think he's been the least comfortable of the 2 Brothers with the Royal standard settings that helped destroy his own Mother.
William and Kate are great assets to the Royals, one of the best things about the royals for a long while actually..
They have been able to accept the more straitjacket rules of Royal life.
Prince Harry and Meghan haven't been able to and won't.
So have moved on, not to disappear but live their lives their way still.

That too is good In a way as it shows the Royals are more human with limits as to what they can accept as, let's say duty.

So again, I just wish both well.
I neither like or dislike them.
I like what I've seen of them but I also see no real lying at all or wrong this woman has done to be so relentlessly on every little thing found or read about her.
To be so character assassinated.
It's both mystifying and sad in my own personal view.

It isn't however real or reasoned debate, not in the slightest.

Your last 2 paragraphs are extremely strong.
It will possibly just be passed over on here, however yes, this is what transpires when in my opinion, unhealthy and unnecessary negativity is allowed to just grow and grow, with no substantiated facts behind it.
So thank you for posting those Ammi

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read

On Oprah, I wonder will Meghan present herself as the sweet, humble, quietly spoken woman we thought she was in the engagement interview or the face - pulling, affected, show - bizzy Meghan in that awful cringey chat - show appearance when she was on Suits?
And is Harry being kept to the end so that people don’t get fed up with her and keep watching?

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

More evidence if more was needed...

Yep more evidence that this family will sell their souls for a quick buck.

As with anything like this (including anything Meghan says the the contrary), it is all one-sided anecdotes. I could tell you some toe curling stories about my brother when we were kids but I am sure his recollection and views would be wholly different

As Cherie says, this book is just a 'trashy' read, it will fit the anti-Meghan sentiment of some whilst being rubbished by the pro-Meghan side.

Doesn't provide evidence of anything

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yep more evidence that this family will sell their souls for a quick buck.

As with anything like this (including anything Meghan says the the contrary), it is all one-sided anecdotes. I could tell you some toe curling stories about my brother when we were kids but I am sure his recollection and views would be wholly different

As Cherie says, this book is just a 'trashy' read, it will fit the anti-Meghan sentiment of some whilst being rubbished by the pro-Meghan side.

Doesn't provide evidence of anything

By the same token do you feel the same about the sycophantic bio by Omid Scobie ‘Finding Freebies’ and what M&H will say on Oprah. They could tell us anything, be all one sided or twist things to suit their own narrative, couldn’t they?
That won’t be ‘evidence’ either. It works both ways.

And what do you think of Meghan freezing out her family from both her mothers and fathers sides (and they have spoken of how hurt and humiliated they were, in front of the world, as if they weren’t good enough) and inviting all those celebs she didn’t even know to her wedding?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Might give it a shot, I am in the need of a trashy read

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/...ghan-tell-all/

here is a taster - if you read this you just think "her poor father"

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by jet

By the same token do you feel the same about the sycophantic bio by Omid Scobie ‘Finding Freebies’ and what M&H will say on Oprah. They could tell us anything, be all one sided or twist things to suit their own narrative, couldn’t they?
That won’t be ‘evidence’ either. It works both ways.

And what do you think of Meghan freezing out her family from both her mothers and fathers sides (and they have spoken of how hurt and humiliated they were, in front of the world, as if they weren’t good enough) and inviting all those celebs she didn’t even know to her wedding?

I totally agree about the Meghan book too. There is no way anyone not directly involved from the start will ever know the "truth" 100% as both "sides" will have their own view of it. As I said in the post you have quoted, every family would be the same. I was merely pointing out that these "tell-all" books and interviews only tell one side and not all and therefore do not provide evidence of anything.

With regards to the wedding invitations...again I cannot comment as I don't know the situation. I have spoken before about tensions in my own family that arose after my mother's death and some of my actions from outsiders could seem to have been callous.....but they don't know what went on during a particularly difficult time and its no-ones business. This was no ordinary wedding.....if you had particularly difficult or socially awkward distant relatives, would you want them at an audience with the Queen of England - really? I bloody wouldn't want half my family near my boss let alone the Queen Family ties do not always mean you have to include them in your life

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I totally agree about the Meghan book too. There is no way anyone not directly involved from the start will ever know the "truth" 100% as both "sides" will have their own view of it. As I said in the post you have quoted, every family would be the same. I was merely pointing out that these "tell-all" books and interviews only tell one side and not all and therefore do not provide evidence of anything.

With regards to the wedding invitations...again I cannot comment as I don't know the situation. I have spoken before about tensions in my own family that arose after my mother's death and some of my actions from outsiders could seem to have been callous.....but they don't know what went on during a particularly difficult time and its no-ones business. This was no ordinary wedding.....if you had particularly difficult or socially awkward distant relatives, would you want them at an audience with the Queen of England - really? I bloody wouldn't want half my family near my boss let alone the Queen Family ties do not always mean you have to include them in your life

It's stretching it to speculate that ALL her family; her cousins, uncles, aunts; grandparents still alive -the whole family on her mothers and fathers sides were all not fit to be seen in public in the Queen's presence.
Meghan is estranged from many of her lifelong friends, she'd estranged from her mothers extended family, she's estranged from her fathers extended family, now she and Harry are estranged from most of the Royal family.
There is a very disturbing pattern here. It can't be everyone else's fault, with Meghan as the poor victim. She seems like a very divisive character.

[jet]

This is the most critical review on Amazon:

I wanted to see the other side of this story, and it did tell me a lot I didn't know about Samantha. I had no idea that she had had a moderately successful career in radio, tv and films, and probably got more work than Meghan.
It was interesting to read Samantha 's account of the family dynamics, which certainly portray the Markles as a loving family and Doria in a less kindly light, and I guess we can take the account as truthful because it would be a foolish publisher who would risk the wrath of Meghan 's legal team. However it doesn't say anything about a lot of the questions people have been asking.

The thing that most struck me was that the publishers, who must be expecting to make a shed load of money out of this could have employed an editor to at least do something about the dreadful punctuation. Quite honestly, Samantha is no writer and the text is full of clichés, mostly adorned with quotation marks. In fact she uses a quotation marks at a rate I have never seen elsewhere, and inconsistently at that. OK, I'm not being very kind because after all this woman is not a professional writer, but it becomes very irritating and unless she actually refused the services of an editor, somebody should have insisted on using one. I would have given a higher rating if it had been better written.

The reviewer is right about the punctuation, cliches etc - dreadful! - but I still enjoyed it because Samantha comes across as warm and very straightforward.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by jet

It's stretching it to speculate that ALL her family; her cousins, uncles, aunts; grandparents on both her mothers and fathers sides were all not fit to be seen in public in the Queen's presence.
Meghan is estranged from many of her lifelong friends, she'd estranged from her mothers extended family, she's estranged from her fathers extended family, now she and Harry are estranged from most of the Royal family.
There is a very disturbing pattern here. It can't be everyone else's fault, with Meghan as the poor victim. She seems like a very divisive character.

Her maternal grandparents are dead, little is known as far a I can see about her paternal grandparents. I know little of what family she does have and so I can't really comment on that. We don't know how close the were. My mother had a massive extended family (he dad was one of 6 who all had kids) but she moved from London to Manchester as a child and so now I would know any of that family if I fell over them and they would not be invited to any celebration of mine - doesn't mean I have shunned them, I just don't know them.

She is no doubt a divisive character, obviously very determined and driven in what she wants (not always a good or bad thing). As I have said, many times, I have little actual interest in her. I like to play devil's advocate as there seems to be really hard lined sides in this and some of the black and white that people lay out are actually more shades of grey in that unless closely connected to both sides, we will NEVER know the whole truth from either side.

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Her maternal grandparents are dead, little is known as far a I can see about her paternal grandparents. I know little of what family she does have and so I can't really comment on that. We don't know how close the were. My mother had a massive extended family (he dad was one of 6 who all had kids) but she moved from London to Manchester as a child and so now I would know any of that family if I fell over them and they would not be invited to any celebration of mine - doesn't mean I have shunned them, I just don't know them.

She is no doubt a divisive character, obviously very determined and driven in what she wants (not always a good or bad thing). As I have said, many times, I have little actual interest in her. I like to play devil's advocate as there seems to be really hard lined sides in this and some of the black and white that people lay out are actually more shades of grey in that unless closely connected to both sides, we will NEVER know the whole truth from either side.

Samantha states they were a very close family; spent summers at different relatives etc. More often than not, the obvious conclusion is the right one and excuses just seem flimsy - but I agree that there are also shades of grey in there too.

[arista]

The Queen has Stripped them of their Royal Positions


Good One


[Duke and Duchess of Sussex tell the Queen
will not return as working members of Royal Family]


https://news.sky.com/story/duke-and-...amily-12222693

[arista]

Yes Bugger off
you non royal



Going on Trash USA TV.