[Beso]

She couldnt even squeeze a tear out.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'll be repeating this forever it seems. Freedom of speech is not a shield against criticism. Anyone can have their opinion and state it, and everyone else is free to react to it. Reacting to someone else's opinion is not an attack on their freedom of speech, because freedom of speech, as I always say, is a two way street. You can have an opinion on something, and so can everyone else, and they can comment on your views, just like you can comment on theirs'.

Crying about freedom of speech is just an attempt to shut down that right for other people.

So its ok to call Harry's family Racist and heartless...but Piers cant call her a liar?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, disingenuous and a strawman argument. The meaning is clear, while she was performing royal duties, someone else had a say over her life. It doesn't matter if she took holidays or not when it was down to someone else whether she could go or not. That's what she obviously meant about being trapped, she didn't have the freedom to decide for herself unless she stepped back.

It's not really a hard concept to grasp.

Just like the majority of us when doing our jobs can't just go off on holiday when we want. That is really easy concept to grasp. Right?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

So its ok to call Harry's family Racist and heartless...but Piers cant call her a liar?

A strawman argument.

Piers is entitled to believe that Meghan is lying, and the public are free to respond how they wish. the public responded poorly to his ignorance about mental health. People are free to criticise, no opinion, or criticism, is without consequence.

You and others have accused Meghan of all sorts based on questionable articles from questionable sources, have you not? You're free to those beliefs, and people are free to believe the royal family has issues of racism in it's ranks.

[user104658]

I live when people disingenuous say "Uhh she went on trips and wasn't literally locked in her room so how was she trapped?" and think that's some sort of zinger gotcha moment - but seemingly don't realise that it just makes the look as though they're too stupid to realised that someone stating the y felt metaphorically trapped doesn't mean they were literally imprisoned. I'm not saying those people ARE too stupid to know that, mind, just saying it baffles me when people like to "play dumb". It only undermines your other points... Because people think "Oh, this person has comprehension issues".

Yes Meghan went on trips both official and personal. She will have arranged those through Royal management, who will have arranged the transport, handles her documents, etc.

This seems so obvious that it's painful to even have to state it in good faith.

Having to ask permission and arrange trips through management will feel trapping and limiting to some people if they are used to having more freedom, even if the answer is "yes".

Is that difficult to understand? I'm pretty sure it isn't difficult at all which is why I'm convinced people are simply PRETENDING that they don't get it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A lot of stress can harm the baby

I love the selective memory, yeah calling her a liar which includes her saying she felt suicidal.. that is so bloody dangerous and vile.

Well I have said this before....for someone who lost a baby last year WHY WHY WHY would you put yourself in this situation, because she cant be that niave that she didnt think there would be a backlash against her accusations.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Just like the majority of us when doing our jobs can't just go off on holiday when we want. That is really easy concept to grasp. Right?

Does your boss control your home life and seize your keys and passport? I think not. Another strawman argument. Not an easy concept to grasp for some, it seems.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

She couldnt even squeeze a tear out.

Both mine and my wife's family histories are messy Parmy but you won't often find either of us blubbing when we talk about it. Healthy adults have solid coping mechanisms.

Thats not to say that crying is unhealthy, crying is fine, but people work through their emotions and don't HAVE TO cry when talking about difficult things. It's not a requirement.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I live when people disingenuous say "Uhh she went on trips and wasn't literally locked in her room so how was she trapped?" and think that's some sort of zinger gotcha moment - but seemingly don't realise that it just makes the look as though they're too stupid to realised that someone stating the y felt metaphorically trapped doesn't mean they were literally imprisoned. I'm not saying those people ARE too stupid to know that, mind, just saying it baffles me when people like to "play dumb". It only undermines your other points... Because people think "Oh, this person has comprehension issues".

Yes Meghan went on trips both official and personal. She will have arranged those through Royal management, who will have arranged the transport, handles her documents, etc.

This seems so obvious that it's painful to even have to state it in good faith.

[I] Having to ask permission and arrange trips through management will feel trapping and limiting to some people if they are used to having more freedom, even if the answer is "yes".

Is that difficult to understand? I'm pretty sure it isn't difficult at all which is why I'm convinced people are simply PRETENDING that they don't get it.

Ignorance is bliss, that and people seem to think if they ignore the context, that it simply doesn't exist.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A strawman argument.

Piers is entitled to believe that Meghan is lying, and the public are free to respond how they wish. the public responded poorly to his ignorance about mental health. People are free to criticise, no opinion, or criticism, is without consequence.

You and others have accused Meghan of all sorts based on questionable articles from questionable sources, have you not? You're free to those beliefs, and people are free to believe the royal family has issues of racism in it's ranks.

Did she even accuse the royal family of being racist because those words never came from her lips she just spoke about something that happened.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Just like the majority of us when doing our jobs can't just go off on holiday when we want. That is really easy concept to grasp. Right?

Yes we can. We might face disciplinary action or get fired but if I really wanted to, I could pick up my passport and leave the country at any time. Its not the same. Which again you probably know.

*Dislaimer: obviously I am thinking pre-covid here... None of us can just pick up our passports and leave any more

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Did she even accuse the royal family of being racist because those words never came from her lips she just spoke about something that happened.

People are just writing their own narratives at this point and convincing themselves it's true. Like how half the UK are acting like she disrespected the Queen when Meghan was more favourable to her than anyone else.

People who ignore things like that just want to believe their own fantasies that justify their hate.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Did she even accuse the royal family of being racist because those words never came from her lips she just spoke about something that happened.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I live when people disingenuous say "Uhh she went on trips and wasn't literally locked in her room so how was she trapped?" and think that's some sort of zinger gotcha moment - but seemingly don't realise that it just makes the look as though they're too stupid to realised that someone stating the y felt metaphorically trapped doesn't mean they were literally imprisoned. I'm not saying those people ARE too stupid to know that, mind, just saying it baffles me when people like to "play dumb". It only undermines your other points... Because people think "Oh, this person has comprehension issues".

Yes Meghan went on trips both official and personal. She will have arranged those through Royal management, who will have arranged the transport, handles her documents, etc.

This seems so obvious that it's painful to even have to state it in good faith.

[I] Having to ask permission and arrange trips through management will feel trapping and limiting to some people if they are used to having more freedom, even if the answer is "yes".

Is that difficult to understand? I'm pretty sure it isn't difficult at all which is why I'm convinced people are simply PRETENDING that they don't get it.

Could she take whatever holidays she wanted, when she wanted through management when she was filming a deal or no deal girl, or filming Suits? Ummm?
She could also arrange her own trips - the royals actually aren't spoon fed in their free time.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I live when people disingenuous say "Uhh she went on trips and wasn't literally locked in her room so how was she trapped?" and think that's some sort of zinger gotcha moment - but seemingly don't realise that it just makes the look as though they're too stupid to realised that someone stating the y felt metaphorically trapped doesn't mean they were literally imprisoned. I'm not saying those people ARE too stupid to know that, mind, just saying it baffles me when people like to "play dumb". It only undermines your other points... Because people think "Oh, this person has comprehension issues".

Yes Meghan went on trips both official and personal. She will have arranged those through Royal management, who will have arranged the transport, handles her documents, etc.

This seems so obvious that it's painful to even have to state it in good faith.

Having to ask permission and arrange trips through management will feel trapping and limiting to some people if they are used to having more freedom, even if the answer is "yes".

Is that difficult to understand? I'm pretty sure it isn't difficult at all which is why I'm convinced people are simply PRETENDING that they don't get it.

It's in the same vein as people taking them saying they want privacy as meaning they must want to live as hermits.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People are just writing their own narratives at this point and convincing themselves it's true. Like how half the UK are acting like she disrespected the Queen when Meghan was more favourable to her than anyone else.

People who ignore things like that just want to believe their own fantasies that justify their hate.

That's what i'm getting from all this because i'm baffled by it all. It's all dramatic for me because does anyone think the whole royal is racist over one person making a ignorant comment? I don't. I don't even think this interview did much at all. Some still love the royals, some don't and some don't give a **** that hasn't changed. The Queen and Kate weren't dragged through the mud like people are making out Meghan spoke highly of The Queen and no one thinks Kate is awful.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes we can. We might face disciplinary action or get fired but if I really wanted to, I could pick up my passport and leave the country at any time. Its not the same. Which again you probably know.

*Dislaimer: obviously I am thinking pre-covid here... None of us can just pick up our passports and leave any more

Which she did - to Canada and then the USA.
She faced disciplinary action by having to give up her patronages.

[Cherie]

The leader of the choir that sung Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding says she has a hard time believing Prince Charles is racist.

The Kingdom Choir's founder and conductor Karen Gibson said the Prince of Wales personally invited the group to perform at the nuptials.

Speaking to TMZ in the wake of the storm over the couple's Oprah interview, the choir leader said Harry's father was very sincere in his invitation.

She added that he had gone out of his way to personally congratulate the black gospel group's performers on their success since wowing worldwide wedding audiences.

The royals are under a glaring spotlight after the couple after the couple's bombshell claims in their Oprah interview.


Daily Mirror

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Does your boss control your home life and seize your keys and passport? I think not. Another strawman argument. Not an easy concept to grasp for some, it seems.

Proof that they controlled her home life?
They didn't 'seize' her passport. They keep all the royals passports for security reasons, which they obviously released for all those trips and holidays.

And I would like you to acknowledge this reply to the accusations you threw at me about mental health instead of ignoring it....

....and Dezzy, you are making a lot of assumptions there....show me a post where I said I doubted her mental health issues - even if I did, I wouldn't say so. I HAVE doubted very much that she was refused help, said so, and still do.
So get your facts right before you start lecturing people on things they haven't said.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LukeB

A lot of stress can harm the baby

I love the selective memory, yeah calling her a liar which includes her saying she felt suicidal.. that is so bloody dangerous and vile.

Its also dangerous and vile if its untrue. Its extremely hard to believe that with Harry's struggle with Mental Health since his mother died...his connections with Mental Health organisations that HE couldnt get her the help she needed. Do you really believe that Harry told her to go and ask HR to get her help and just accepted they couldnt help her because it wouldnt reflect well on the family....you think Harry just sat back and let that happen.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The leader of the choir that sung Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's wedding says she has a hard time believing Prince Charles is racist.

Well this changes EVERYTHING.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That's what i'm getting from all this because i'm baffled by it all. It's all dramatic for me because does anyone think the whole royal is racist over one person making a ignorant comment? I don't. I don't even think this interview did much at all. Some still love the royals, some don't and some don't give a **** that hasn't changed. The Queen and Kate weren't dragged through the mud like people are making out Meghan spoke highly of The Queen and no one thinks Kate is awful.

The media and the people's imaginations are running away with them. It's quite sad really, how people can distinguish between reality and their own fiction.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Its also dangerous and vile if its untrue. Its extremely hard to believe that with Harry's struggle with Mental Health since his mother died...his connections with Mental Health organisations that HE couldnt get her the help she needed. Do you really believe that Harry told her to go and ask HR to get her help and just accepted they couldnt help her because it wouldnt reflect well on the family....you think Harry just sat back and let that happen.

Harry said he was too ashamed to ask for help for Meghan.
He has told of getting therapy for himself however - he even told a room full of bankers in the USA, the speech he got paid a lot for.
Prince Charles has also said he has had therapy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LukeB

That's what i'm getting from all this because i'm baffled by it all. It's all dramatic for me because does anyone think the whole royal is racist over one person making a ignorant comment? I don't. I don't even think this interview did much at all. Some still love the royals, some don't and some don't give a **** that hasn't changed. The Queen and Kate weren't dragged through the mud like people are making out Meghan spoke highly of The Queen and no one thinks Kate is awful.

Honestly despite the constant DM-style narrative that they have disrespected and slammed The Queen, I actually came away from watching it feeling more positively about The Queen herself than I ever have previously . Meghan was nothing but nice about The Queen as a person and grandmother, Harry obviously adores her as his gran no matter what his feelings on "the Royal stuff"... She is obviously very sad about the rift between Harry and Charles...

I thought it was all very humanising and positive for The Queen. But then, I guess those who see it as negative are those who are more likely to deify/elevate "Royal People" and really don't want to think of The Queen as Harry's Gran because "She Is The Queen!!"

[Nicky91]

don't know if this reaction video has been shared here, but Russell got 1.7 million views as of now

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