[LeatherTrumpet]

Youtube video

The intellectual dark web (IDW) is a loosely-defined informal group of
commentators who oppose what they regard as the dominance of identity
politics, political correctness, and cancel culture in higher education and the
news media within Western countries. Those who have been linked to the
IDW have come from both the right and left of the political spectrum.

The term "intellectual dark web" was coined by the American venture
capitalist Eric Weinstein. His term, which metaphorically compared opposition
to mainstream opinion to what is illicitly found on the dark web, was not
intended to be wholly serious. It was then popularized in a 2018 New York
Times editorial by American opinion writer Bari Weiss.[1] Weiss and others
applied the term to a broad range of figures from various parts of the
political spectrum, including conservatives such as Ben Shapiro and Douglas
Murray, liberals such as Maajid Nawaz and Sam Harris, and feminists like
Ayaan Hirsi Ali. It has also been linked to online publications such as the
libertarian-leaning Quillette.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_dark_web

[Tom4784]

I'm not watching anything to do with Joe Rogan, he's a ****ing moron.

I think the term 'Intellectual Dark Web' is a bit of a mouthful when you can just call a spade a spade and refer to these people as bigots.

[Niamh.]

I love Joe Rogan, I don't agree with all his opinions but I like how he debates and really listens to other people's points of view

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love Joe Rogan, I don't agree with all his opinions but I like how he debates and really listens to other people's points of view

Id imagine that is one of the main reasons he gets the big guests and numbers

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love Joe Rogan, I don't agree with all his opinions but I like how he debates and really listens to other people's points of view

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Id imagine that is one of the main reasons he gets the big guests and numbers

I don't dislike him or anything but he's not really my thing. But he must have something, I know he has such disparate guests on his show - Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro to Bernie Saunders and everyone in between ... One doesn't get such a range of guests without being good at what he does.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't dislike him or anything but he's not really my thing. But he must have something, I know he has such disparate guests on his show - Jordan Peterson to Ben Shapiro to Bernie Saunders and everyone in between ... One doesn't get such a range of guests without being good at what he does.

I started listening to him mainly for his UFC discussions and discovered he speaks about pretty much everything from there

[Tom4784]

He used to be more tolerable, but now he's all anti-mask and anti-vax and is just drinking the right wing cool aid.

[Zizu]

I really like Joe Rogan ... and many of guests .


I still find strange that this guy who’s built like a brick outhouse and so knowledgeable about MMA / UFC started off life as a soft looking stand-up comedian .


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[Scarlett.]

Joe Rogan has really gone off into the deep end lately, he used to be somewhat decent.

[Toy Soldier]

It’s complicated really. There is a legitimate fear amongst academics from all across the political spectrum about the consequences of asking unloaded questions in the genuine pursuit of knowledge if they think those questions are going to bring down the wrath of large, and often aggressive, emotionally-driven groups. My wife has had to turn down offers of co-authoring a few papers recently, because the topics are simple “too hot” to risk exploring, even from a neutral/professional standpoint, at this point in her career. From an intellectual/academic angle that is really quite worrying. There is a not-small group that believes neutrality = the enemy, academic enquiry rather than blanket acceptance = hateful.

On the other hand - this issue IS all too often hijacked by the “right wing free speech” crowd who want to whine about not being able to express genuinely hateful views that are in no way academic or neutral, which leaves the waters very muddy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

On the other hand - this issue IS all too often hijacked by the “right wing free speech” crowd who want to whine about not being able to express genuinely hateful views that are in no way academic or neutral, which leaves the waters very muddy.

I don't see the problem with allowing people to expose themselves. No-one takes those psychos seriously, so what's wrong with allowing them to attach their name to things which show the world (and future employers) exactly who they are?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It’s complicated really. There is a legitimate fear amongst academics from all across the political spectrum about the consequences of asking unloaded questions in the genuine pursuit of knowledge if they think those questions are going to bring down the wrath of large, and often aggressive, emotionally-driven groups. My wife has had to turn down offers of co-authoring a few papers recently, because the topics are simple “too hot” to risk exploring, even from a neutral/professional standpoint, at this point in her career. From an intellectual/academic angle that is really quite worrying. There is a not-small group that believes neutrality = the enemy, academic enquiry rather than blanket acceptance = hateful.

On the other hand - this issue IS all too often hijacked by the “right wing free speech” crowd who want to whine about not being able to express genuinely hateful views that are in no way academic or neutral, which leaves the waters very muddy.

I've just started reading a book my brother recommended called The Coddling of the American Mind which really delves in to that and how society has arrived here

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He used to be more tolerable, but now he's all anti-mask and anti-vax and is just drinking the right wing cool aid.

He sounds like a tool bag

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It’s complicated really. There is a legitimate fear amongst academics from all across the political spectrum about the consequences of asking unloaded questions in the genuine pursuit of knowledge if they think those questions are going to bring down the wrath of large, and often aggressive, emotionally-driven groups. My wife has had to turn down offers of co-authoring a few papers recently, because the topics are simple “too hot” to risk exploring, even from a neutral/professional standpoint, at this point in her career. From an intellectual/academic angle that is really quite worrying. There is a not-small group that believes neutrality = the enemy, academic enquiry rather than blanket acceptance = hateful.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've just started reading a book my brother recommended called The Coddling of the American Mind which really delves in to that and how society has arrived here

Reason #6554643 social media is toxic. The best way to deal with twitter seethe is to just ignore it, and it's a shame that the fear of people throwing around baseless accusations keeps academics from discussing any issue.

This effectively gives the entire discussion exclusively to people on youtube who may not be qualified to fully explore the issue, or at worst, people who want to use it to spread hate.

Much like how flag-waving needs to be reclaimed by patriotic people who aren't racist, academic discussion of "difficult" topics needs to be re-embraced by those willing to do so.

Let's face it - violent men who beat up transwomen aren't reading Germaine Greer Until someone actively calls for violence, there shouldn't be limits on what can be discussed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Thread is about 2 years too late. IDW was a band of consequence-free speech warriors but it fell apart as quickly as it was formed, because it was primarily a grift. Sam Harris left months ago because he realised they were all far right loons, not concerned with protection of free speech, but as a way to smooth the path of Trumps racism and misogyny. Rubin has been dropped by the group for basically being intellectually backwards, and Bari Weis is a Jewish supremacist. Nice group, but as far away from intellectual as it's possible to get.