[Parmy]

I think it's all this finger pointing and ridiculing by the labour party and its supporters against anyone who shows any sort of support for the tory party that's made the Tory party as strong as it is.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wish this thread could concentrate on the issues with the labour party, they are the ones not being elected and are not even a realistic opposition party. We can moan about the tories, but unless labour become a viable alternative option, we will have tory governments for the foreseeable future

There's no point, there is no opposition. We're basically an unofficial one party nation and the Tories voter suppression laws will only compound that further. There's no point in acting like anyone can oppose the tories until we confront their endless corruption.

Originally Posted by parmnion

I think it's all this finger pointing and ridiculing by the labour party and its supporters against anyone who shows any sort of support for the tory party that's made the Tory party as strong as it is.

Nah, it's just spineless bootlickers with no standards who vote for corruption and incompetence as long as it's their side that's 'winning'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no point, there is no opposition. We're basically an unofficial one party nation and the Tories voter suppression laws will only compound that further. There's no point in acting like anyone can oppose the tories until we confront their endless corruption.

there is an opposition, they are just not very good and the voter system isn't corrupt. It's time to stop making excuses and start fixing the problems with labour

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there is an opposition, they are just not very good and the voter system isn't corrupt. It's time to stop making excuses and start fixing the problems with labour

It's all a lost cause and how can you stand there and make out that forcing people to bring photo ID to be able to vote isn't corrupt? It's voter suppression, pure and simple.

A party could do and say all the right things and it wouldn't matter because the tories will win regardless. People are too used to voting against themselves. Labour is a flop and will never regain it's footing and no other party will ever get momentum. This is Tory Britain, now, and forever.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's all a lost cause and how can you stand there and make out that forcing people to bring photo ID to be able to vote isn't corrupt? It's voter suppression, pure and simple.

Why do people think this?

For me it's the opposite if what people are saying..

Take the fact that the cons have been in power for ages now and wiped the floor with all the other parties during the last election, why on earth would they change the rules for voting when they are winning things so easily atm.

It's a poor excuse to say they are trying to block the youth vote..and very condescending to believe that those youths would have voted labour.


It's all whataboutary.

[joeysteele]

Well Ammi for me, the times I've had a vote for leader of Labour since joining it, has been Andy Burnham, I hold massive respect for Andy.

Or I'd go for someone who really seems to connect we, although not so well known at present.
Someone like Wes Streeting.

On the female possible candidates.
Rachel Reeves commands a lot of respect across parliament and politics I think.

I would love to see those 3 as a front line team.

[bots]

what are the chances of keir still being in place for the next ge? I would say pretty high, in which case, they have to work with what they have. This may be controversial, but with labour, even Keir's hands are tied. He could be in a position where he has policy thrust upon him that he doesnt agree with, or that he just doesnt want in there and yet he has to go in front of the camera and champion it. I dont really think labour has a leader in the traditional sense. He says he takes full responsibility when things go wrong, but he isn't responsible for policy, which I would say was fundamental to winning votes.

The other side of it, which he can control is communication. That certainly needs an overhaul as i've said before. He isn't a bad communicator, but my advice would be to concentrate on what labour bring to the table and leave it to voters to decide if they don't like Boris

[Parmy]

Kiers needs to leave his phone number online so we can all connect with him.

[joeysteele]

Labour doesn't normally get rid of leaders quickly.
Kinnock had 2 elections given to him, after already 2 defeats.

I think Starmer unless he decides to make way, will be leader at the next general election.

Which is why he needs an eye catching key policy.
Such as PR.
Which I think would be a major attraction to voters.
Even moreso the new voters feeding in up to the next general election.

Other policies important too.
That would however I think unite the whole of the opposition Parties to a common aim.
With working together to get Johnson out in order to get it.

Only the Cons would really never adopt PR.
It's really my hope to try to persuade Labour members to push for this as policy at conference.

[arista]

Well many reports are saying, in the Queens Speech
in a min.

The Fixed Parliament to Go
so Johnson can have a Summer General Election
2023.


This giving Labour less time to sort out its internal battles.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Well many reports are saying, in the Queens Speech
in a min.

The Fixed Parliament to Go
so Johnson can have a Summer General Election
2023.

I said he'd do this a while ago

He wants an election out the way before any final conclusions of a public inquiry into his pandemic chaos except for vaccination roll out.

So once that's up and running which will take possibly years in order to hear all the evidence from all concerned and aggrieved.

He would look at an earlier election yes.
Pure deceit but transparently so too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I said he'd do this a while ago

He wants an election out the way before any final conclusions of a public inquiry into his pandemic chaos except for vaccination roll out.

So once that's up and running which will take possibly years in order to hear all the evidence from all concerned and aggrieved.

He would look at an earlier election yes.
Pure deceit but transparently so too.

Yes avoid them, he is planning just that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes avoid them, he is planning just that.

Which is why deceit has to be got round by cunning.

A policy to unite all opposition Parties to work together and possibly up to two thirds of voters.
That's one way.

So Labour need to think on that this year and next.
HOWEVER to be bold if it was to look at say PR.

Not promise a referendum, just bring it in for the election after next as manifesto policy.

PR is used in all Scottish, Irish, and Welsh elections.
Police and Crime commissioners.
Plus all Mayoral elections.

All brought in without referenda.

[Parmy]

If the uk knew how bad it was going to get they wouldnt have had us all locked down spreading covid in our own homes at the start.

[arista]

The Queen Is going Live with
the Conservative Party Speech is about to begin


LBC
SlyNewsHD
BBCnewsHD
BBC1HD
Radio 5

[arista]

A Stronger United Kingdom
than before.


Extend 5G Gigabyte Broadband

[arista]

[Inequality and conversion therapy plans explained

The government said "measures" will be
brought forward to address racial and ethnic disparities.

It also said it will move to ban conversion
therapy entirely, with new funding,
expected by this summer, to support victims.]

[arista]

New Plan for Immigration Legislation explained

[The government will put forward plans for
a "fairer immigration system" that also deters
criminals facilitating "dangerous and illegal journeys".

It will enable the government to
remove "those with no right to be here" more easily.]


https://news.sky.com/story/queens-sp...genda-12303219

[arista]

[National Insurance Contributions Bill explained

Eight new freeports are to be built to
create "hubs" for trade and to
regenerate communities, the government said.

Employers in freeports will get National Insurance contributions relief.

The relief will also be introduced for employers
of veterans and for the self-employed who
receive NHS Test and Trace payments.]

[arista]

[Social care proposals to come, but no bill for now

Analysis by Joe Pike, political correspondent

The Queen has set out that the government will
bring forward proposals to reform social care,
but that does not necessarily mean a legislative bill.

Don't forget, the prime minister promised
to ‘fix’ the social care crisis on his first day in office back in 2019.
The proposals are expected later this year.
The issue of funding is one of the central questions
they will need to address.]

[arista]

[arista]

[Queen's Speech: Immigration overhaul will block asylum for people
who have travelled through 'safe' countries such
as France and Belgium as ministers try to deter Channel crossings]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ns-Speech.html

[arista]

Covid-19 Has halted any Social Care Plans.




BBC2HD Politics Live

[arista]

Get a bigger Jacket
you fat sod

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Get a bigger Jacket
you fat sod

He doesn't compliment himself in his dress sense.
I mean honestly he is the leader of a Nation.
Nothing statesmanlike about him.

Old footage I've seen of Michael Foot from the early 80s in documentaries had him looking smarter than Johnson.
Yet the media called him scruffy all the time.