[DouglasS]

Most be so frustrating for women who have worked so hard all their life to be the top of the game and are beaten because somebody has superior hormones for the sport and haven’t had to try as hard to be at the top because their bodies enable them to perform better and there’s nothing the born female can do about it, even if she just trains harder..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Purr as they should

World Rugby said that after months of research, it had “concluded that safety and fairness cannot presently be assured for women competing against trans women in contact rugby”

But who cares about namby-pamby concepts like "research" or "women" amirite?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

Purr as they should

Why? It's not fair on women, nor is if safe for them.

[Elliot]

PLS not yall pretending to care about women’s sports to hate on trans people

[Oliver_W]

It's not about sports, it's about women. It's not safe or fair for women to play in contact sports against males.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Elliot

PLS not yall pretending to care about women’s sports to hate on trans people

Oh yeah **** women, who cares about us eh?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Elliot

PLS not yall pretending to care about women’s sports to hate on trans people

Where is anyone hating on trans people? I am seeing no hate at all. I.don't.know what the answer is but the simple fact is trans women have a biological advantage on cis women. It doesn't make for a fair playing field. We all want equality but in sports, its impossible.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...y-be-too-short

[Niamh.]

Just to add in response to Elliotts comment, first of all you don't need to follow sport or women's sport to care about it as a women's rights issue or to have it effect a woman or girl you know or are related to and secondly I literally have a female boxer as my avatar but I'm only pretending to care about women's sports?

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just to add in response to Elliotts comment, first of all you don't need to follow sport or women's sport to care about it as a women's rights issue or to have it effect a woman or girl you know or are related to and secondly I literally have a female boxer as my avatar but I'm only pretending to care about women's sports?

I’m pretty sure Elliot doesn’t even follow women’s sports so that may be why he doesn’t understand that allowing trans women to participate competitively is actually inequality towards women in sport.

Perhaps they should form a trans women’s league separately?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I’m pretty sure Elliot doesn’t even follow women’s sports so that may be why he doesn’t understand that allowing trans women to participate competitively is actually inequality towards women in sport.

Perhaps they should form a trans women’s league separately?

A solution could be to have everyone compete as the sex they are regardless of which gender they identify as, surely that makes the most sense, as the reason for the two categories in sport is for sex based, biological differences/advantages and actually nothing to do with gender, that would also solve the issue of where non binary people should participate considering they don't identify as either gender

[Ammi]

…the only one thing I’ll say to Elliott and just in general…is that I do think agendas can sometimes mar these things and be very unhelpful…it’s a bit like a genuine protest for instance in a very good cause …but then there may be a small attachment of agenda driven disingenuous stuff…so is it right that the whole point of it be dismissed or disregarded when we know that isn’t the representative….when the voices there are very clear and very genuine…and there are many clear and genuine voices here, Elliott…and there will never be any conversations, very necessary conversations while those voices are dismissed with a general sweeping and judging of all…?…but I’ve said it quite recently that I’m not myself always comfortable with some voices on this topic who generally seem to be resistant to other feminist topics…only this one…and Lord, it’s difficult enough with two groups representing their own ‘inequalities’…

…anyways, I’ve been reading actually quite a bit this morning…I’m not going to post any links because the writings are not articles, they’re on Google Scholar and they’re studies…so really have no ‘bias’ at all, they only have science, nothing more and nothing less…there are many many of them and easy to find if there is any interest but they are sometimes quite extensive……it does still seem to be quite divided in that some sports would probably be okay and deemed as more safe and some not so…and to ensure safety for all, it would seem to have to be less divided and more assured…anyways, I don’t think that I have any more to add atm…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A solution could be to have everyone compete as the sex they are regardless of which gender they identify as, surely that makes the most sense, as the reason for the two categories in sport is for sex based, biological differences/advantages and actually nothing to do with gender, that would also solve the issue of where non binary people should participate considering they don't identify as either gender

Quite. Gender identity is pretty much the same as religion, in that it's an internal belief with no material reality. Allowing transwomen to compete against women makes about as much sense as allowing someone to attempt to swim the Atlantic because they believe they're Aquaman.

[LeatherTrumpet]

excellent response from Ben, not talking down or insulting just a good honest and accurate answer to a question.

Ignore video title as its designed to irritate and was not made by BS

Youtube video

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Where is anyone hating on trans people? I am seeing no hate at all. I.don't.know what the answer is but the simple fact is trans women have a biological advantage on cis women. It doesn't make for a fair playing field. We all want equality but in sports, its impossible.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...y-be-too-short

I totally agree.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Elliot

PLS not yall pretending to care about women’s sports to hate on trans people

You CAN'T say that for everyone on here Elliot.