[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't disagree that he bears a huge burden of responsibility but trying to absolve any of the last four presidents of blame in as silly as trying to absolve Biden himself... this has been a brewing inevitability for decades. I mean, Trump-supporters are sort of tying themselves in knots with the whole thing, posting videos of Trump a decade ago basically saying that the current situation was inevitable on exit... like... that video actually defends Biden, essentially. He's saying that there was no way to avoid the current situation. In fact I don't think most of Biden's share of the blame comes from his time as POTUS and the most recent events. He does get a nice big slice of the blame pie because he's been involved for decades.

Actually taking it back to 2001 doesn't even cut it... you have to go back another 20 years. Afghanistan was ****ed when the Soviets and the West decided to spend 10 years playing wargames between the Afghan Army and the Mujahideen all through the 80's. This **** goes back nearly 45 years, it's potentially unfixable.

Yeah, I get all that and I agree. It just seems like Sleepy old Joe has stumbled into the presidency and his first major act is... this.

But yeah, they are all responsible.

The Brits were in Afghanistan when Victoria was on the throne and no one's ever fared well there. It's like... doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.