[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Totally agree ...



All those wanting Boris out ..be careful what you wish for !!

Imagine Starmer or Ashworth in charge

A little part of me wants this guy to be the next leader and PM just to bring him down a peg or two



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Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

That’s my stance as well ..

That said I just see something ‘nice’ in Boris so I’m biased .

I would say that I have no political leanings either way .. they are all scumbags apart from Boris


I just think that Boris’s main flaw may just be that he’s too trusting and those under him just keep letting him down

Oh and Chris Whitney is also a nice guy albeit not a politician .

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.

Agreed !

Anyone would think that Boris was personally organising all these parties and writing the invitations himself ffs


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.

Plus NONE of the above has anything to do with the ever growing list of partying scandals.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.

We are just going around in circles .. we have no idea at all how Labour would have managed although looking at their cabinet of MPs and also going back through history - I wouldn’t be too optimistic at all .


It’s only a few days ago that a top guy was citing the UK as leading the way out if this dreadful situation and praising the way we’ve handled things sooooooo


I actually posted his comments in one of these threads but it’s not at hand sadly .

Maybe someone else can find it ..


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We are just going around in circles .. we have no idea at all how Labour would have managed although looking at their cabinet of MPs and also going back through history - I wouldn’t be too optimistic at all .


It’s only a few days ago that a top guy was citing the UK as leading the way out if this dreadful situation and praising the way we’ve handled things sooooooo


I actually posted his comments in one of these threads but it’s not at hand sadly .

Maybe someone else can find it ..


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I'm not talking about Labour or anyone else.
Look, you wouldn't give Labour credit for anything so your comment on Labour I take with a pinch of salt.

These are the results of Johnson's government, no one elses.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm not talking about Labour or anyone else.
Look, you wouldn't give Labour credit for anything so your comment on Labour I take with a pinch of salt.

These are the results of Johnson's government, no one elses.

I rarely give the Tories credit for anything .. . they’ve made some horrendous mistakes over the last two years but the main thing was the vaccine program and they hit gold with that .

I don’t give a rat’s sass about all the damn get togethers - I’d bet everyone at those parties were just letting loose after another dreadfully stressful week .

I heard stories of nurses , doctors and orderlies who were having drinks together .. they deserved it - imho

I followed the rules to the letter but I know loads who broke the rules continuously and didn’t even try to hide it .


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

"Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit."

sorry what

you are stating all Conservative MPS and voters are saying this?

do you have any evidence to support this?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sorry what

you are stating all Conservative MPS and voters are saying this?

do you have any evidence to support this?

You are right.
I should have said some Cons.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right.
I should have said some Cons.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

.

I have never heard one single person .. anywhere .. say that


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[glib]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

700 out of the what , 2 million who tested positive within the last 28 days of getting a positive test , as that’s what the statistics show

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by glib

700 out of the what , 2 million who tested positive within the last 28 days of getting a positive test , as that’s what the statistics show

Well you may not be bothered about 700+ families being bereaved.
I do, if that's okay with you.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well you may not be bothered about 700+ families being bereaved.
I do, if that's okay with you.

I don’t get your point tbh

Is there anywhere that haven’t had thousands of deaths ?

It’s absolutely heartbreaking but it’s nobodies fault imho .


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[glib]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If that's the level of your attitude to deaths.
God help us.
I can easily shut up and leave you and others on here just to get on with it though.
Very easily.

Oh no, just read the news. Lord Myners has died. How sad. Ex-Chancellor of Uni of Essex.

Oh well, life moves on.

[glib]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

Boris did not kill your 4 ‘loved ones’…

In fact he has prevented more deaths with his quick introduction of the vaccine

Looking at the deaths per million is a truer representation of how well a country has coped than simply looking at how many deaths a country has had…

The UK ranks 31st, far below the US, Italy, and Brazil.
Meanwhile on the rankings we’re rubbing shoulders with the likes of France and Spain.. countries with a *cough* similar population.. 🤷*♂️

Zizu makes a great point btw…