[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So the word bigot did not have a meaning prior to Owen becoming a columnist?

Whereas an accusation of being anti-English is really a generalised slur aimed at anyone who offers objectivity to a debate clearly.

Can I ask you what exactly it was that caused you to use that term? What is the definition of ' 'anti English'?

Personally with me wanting nationalisation of infrastructure and decent well paid jobs that would make me very pro English. But apparently not a's I get that term levelled at me too :/

You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.

How does that make him anti English then?...

All that says to me is that his opinion of Englishness is different to yours. That's not wrong he may feel your take on Englishness is anti English.

We all have a different perspective of what it means to be English.

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How does that make him anti English then?...

All that says to me is that his opinion of Englishness is different to yours. That's not wrong he may feel your take on Englishness is anti English.

We all have a different perspective of what it means to be English.

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?

No, I wouldn't put bacon on any building.i'd put it in the frying pan and then eat it in a butty.

I used the bacon guy as an example of how easy the average citizen is to be locked up whilst people who turn a blind eye and cover up child rape go free. That's the only reason I brought the bacon guy up, it was as an example to make a point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, I wouldn't put bacon on any building.i'd put it in the frying pan and then eat it in a butty.

I used the bacon guy as an example of how easy the average citizen is to be locked up whilst people who turn a blind eye and cover up child rape go free. That's the only reason I brought the bacon guy up, it was as an example to make a point.

I doubt anyone would agree that not addressing a cover up especially one involving child abuse was right. And as far as I can see nobody does think that was right.
However disagreeing that someone with many assault charges shouldn't be dealt with still is not anti English.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I doubt anyone would agree that not addressing a cover up especially one involving child abuse was right. And as far as I can see nobody does think that was right.
However disagreeing that someone with many assault charges shouldn't be dealt with still is not anti English.

So you wanted a better example?

I did also add the guy who was sent down for taking a pee next to (not on) a war memorial. I thought that was usually a £80 on the spot fine?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

So you wanted a better example?

I did also add the guy who was sent down for taking a pee next to (not on) a war memorial. I thought that was usually a £80 on the spot fine?

That was if I remember right to turn the public against a protest against war. That said it has always been seen as a massive insult nationally to deface war memorials?
Dropping a cig butt will get you £100 fine. Insulting past service personnel? That I would have thought would be more serious.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That was if I remember right to turn the public against a protest against war. That said it has always been seen as a massive insult nationally to deface war memorials?
Dropping a cig butt will get you £100 fine. Insulting past service personnel? That I would have thought would be more serious.

I don't know really, I don't think that should be a particularly criminal matter, yeah it's a foul thing to do but I don't think it crosses that boundary into being "actually serious". Defacing meaningfully (i.e. causing permanent damage or damage that will be hard to repair, breaking, toppling, spraypainting etc.) yes definitely but I don't think something that can be sorted with a bucket of soapy water should incur more than a fine.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you feel throwing bacon at a mosque is a good way to show how proud and supportive you are of England?

It's just littering. He shouldn't have ended up in front of a judge at all.

(Maybe just a mandatory fine and some litter picking or something)

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Alf

You certainly can ask me.

I called BOTS "anti English" because his post in here came across to me that being proud and supportive of England should be classed as a negative thing and something to be ashamed of.

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BOTs is Scottish though I woudlnt expect him to wrap himself in St George

I agree with you about the flag, if you can wave round yellow and blue like they did at the Concert for Ukraine there is no reason not to be able to wave around your own flag without being called a bigot