[ThomasC]

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

Yes .. that’s probably a fair assessment


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[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Have you ever been in a relationship Thomas? It sounds like they’d been arguing the night before - it’s usual for couples to apologise (to each other) after an argument. It’s not some grand admission of wrongdoing. People say harsh things in arguments and then say sorry the next day … that’s fairly standard in any relationship, surely?

Or I could also point out that people in relationships with volatile individuals will be constantly apologising for every little thing, in the hopes of keeping that person calm.

No it might not be admission of wrong doing... Also agree with your last statement.

You can rationalise with that, but you don't seem to be able to understand that certain actions can also cause someone to be as angry as he was just because you might not react in that way? ...and deny that it was any sort of mental breakdown because, what? You've not experienced exhibiting those behaviours in a mental breakdown, if you have ever had one?

[ThomasC]

Whether I've been in a relationship before or not I do not think is relevant and quite a low point to belittle my point.

I have experienced extreme mental health issues in the past needing crisis intervention.

I have a wealth of experience in my own personal life, family and work, both in the UK and internationally.

I don't think it's fair to use the 'have you' when it comes to any argument to try and make your point more superior and belittle the other.

I hate the sort of notion that unless you've experienced it yourself you can't empathise or understand or see a different perspective as to what might have made one do such a thing. You've done it before

[Vanessa]

The jury have a lot of pages of evidence to go through. It may take a while.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If she said "things got so crazy last night" and he was still angry, that sounds like a response he might give. "You thin that was crazy? I'll show you crazy!" etc

We are speculating again though

I’ve been called crazy for not wanting to go to the pub after work and even for not liking Only Fools and Horses .. calling people crazy CAN just be a throw-away comment


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

No it might not be admission of wrong doing... Also agree with your last statement.

You can rationalise with that, but you don't seem to be able to understand that certain actions can also cause someone to be as angry as he was just because you might not react in that way? ...and deny that it was any sort of mental breakdown because, what? You've not experienced exhibiting those behaviours in a mental breakdown, if you have ever had one?

I haven't said that I don't understand certain things make people extremely angry/make them "crack" under the pressure, I also haven't said that I don't think Depp was suffering poor mental health/a breakdown (he has had severe addiction issues since he was a teenager - I imagine his mental health has been abysmal at times).

None of those mean "abuse isn't abuse" though ... even if you can sympathise with his position, you'd never tell an abused person that they weren't abused because their abuser was suffering a breakdown/has poor mental health ... or even if they're suffering something more severe like schizophrenia or psychosis. The victim was still abused. Again, these would be mitigating factors in a CRIMINAL trial, someone might not go to prison etc. if their actions were during a breakdown or they were suffering from an actual mental illness, but that doesn't mean it can't be described as "abusive actions" ... thus ... if the victim writes about them, it's not libellous. To be honest, I'd say MOST abusers probably don't have great mental health, as abuse in relationships is often about control - and the desire to be possessive and control is usually a result of extreme anxiety.

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Whether I've been in a relationship before or not I do not think is relevant and quite a low point to belittle my point.

I have experienced extreme mental health issues in the past needing crisis intervention.

I have a wealth of experience in my own personal life, family and work, both in the UK and internationally.

I don't think it's fair to use the 'have you' when it comes to any argument to try and make your point more superior and belittle the other.

I hate the sort of notion that unless you've experienced it yourself you can't empathise or understand or see a different perspective as to what might have made one do such a thing. You've done it before

It was a rhetorical question to be honest Thomas... I assumed you probably had been in arguments with partners and so would know that both people saying sorry when attempting to make up is pretty standard (even if one person still thinks they were 100% right, you'd apologise if an argument got verbally "heated", because you still care about that person and don't want there to be bad feeling). I wasn't trying to imply anything with it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I hope they both get help for their issues.

Johnny with his drink and drugs and Amber Heard with her lies.

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

I don't wish hate on either of them and I think some of the hate is outrageous and disgusting, this whole amber turd, death threats etc. She is a human at the end of a day and maybe a very mentally ill one. Yes, she needs to be held accountable for her actions and it's NOT OK just like it's NOT OK some of the stuff Depp has done.

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

[bots]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

taking amber to court isn't the typical display of someone taking responsibility for his actions. Neither was his behaviour in court

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

If AH was a bloke would you still find the hate "over the top' ? .

I don't engage in tiktok or Twitter,but the majority of comments & response I've seen is people who are fed up of the lies she's told. It's mostly her behaviour that's being criticised, and people don't like how she's acting in the trial, and the audio clips have just made people dislike her more,as her true colours were revealed.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

If AH was a bloke would you still find the hate "over the top' ? .

I don't engage in tiktok or Twitter,but the majority of comments & response I've seen is people who are fed up of the lies she's told. It's mostly her behaviour that's being criticised, and people don't like how she's acting in the trial, and the audio clips have just made people dislike her more,as her true colours were revealed.

Anyone wishing death or serious harm on a person (male or female) who they have never met is over the top. Whatever behaviour they think they have seen wishing death on a celebrity you don't like is never, ever justifiable.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The thing is, I know that this sort of reporting / memes being made is "par for the course" in celebrity culture. That doesn't make it OK ever per se, but a bit of it is to be expected in "celeb life".

But SURELY even the most passionate Johnny Depp fan can see that the anti-Heard movement online has been ... extreme. Like way, way beyond what we usually see with these celebrity things. I heard some news anchor say yesterday that this trial (a piddly little libel case!) is the biggest trial (in terms of global coverage) since OJ simpson and very possibly bigger. That's just absolutely insane. It's totally disproportionate and the hatred being directed Heard's way is staggering, even if every single thing Depp has said is true.

Yeah I agree.

I think a lot of people dislike what she's done, but then some just take it way too far. I wouldn't wish death threats on anyone even those who have committed the most serious of crimes, murder even, I'm not in favour of any death penalty bit that's a different conversation

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

taking amber to court isn't the typical display of someone taking responsibility for his actions. Neither was his behaviour in court

Well that's if you believe what he has been accused of you. You clearly do so therefore you're going to think he's not taking any responsibility.

I happen to believe the opposite and that he wants to clear his name on very serious accusations.

Behaviour in court? What behaviour exactly? I think he has found some of the things frankly laughable. Most of the time he has had his head down.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think JD will get help ,as the difference is he CAN actually admit to his issues & problems.

But AH doesn't take responsibility. So who knows with her .

He's clean already and doing very well.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Anyone wishing death or serious harm on a person (male or female) who they have never met is over the top. Whatever behaviour they think they have seen wishing death on a celebrity you don't like is never, ever justifiable.

I'm not talking about death threats or wishing serious harm on someone as that is crazy, I'm talking about 'hate' in general. Meghan Markle gets hated on a daily basis,and people think that's ' justified' .

Michael Jackson was called a paedophile,with no proper evidence. Bloke had been dead 10 years then suddenly the public believed jackanory stories from one broke guy & one bitter guy .

People complain about the AH 'memes' , but MJ had a ton of tasteless paedo jokes made about him when he was alive .

The whole #bekind is laughable aswell, as people pick & choose who 'SHOULDN'T' criticise . Yet it's ok to say mean spirited things about other people. Hypocrisy & double standards.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Well that's if you believe what he has been accused of you. You clearly do so therefore you're going to think he's not taking any responsibility.

I happen to believe the opposite and that he wants to clear his name on very serious accusations.

Behaviour in court? What behaviour exactly? I think he has found some of the things frankly laughable. Most of the time he has had his head down.

It was fairly well reported on at the beginning of the trial that his behaviour - snide comments, sniggering and dismissive nature was out of place in a court of law

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...perts-say.html

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He's clean already and doing very well.

Yeah I know ,I'm just saying he actually admits & acknowledges his issues.

[Beso]

Depp the aging actor, last seen hanging around the student bars of Sheffield uk.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah I know ,I'm just saying he actually admits & acknowledges his issues.

Definitely. Amber always blame others, never takes any responsibility for anything.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It was fairly well reported on at the beginning of the trial that his behaviour - snide comments, sniggering and dismissive nature was out of place in a court of law

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...perts-say.html

I can't read the daily fail

[AnnieK]

To be fair - Johnny is an addict he has been clean many times before and relapsed. He needs to get clean and stay clean and that takes a lot of dedication. Hopefully he will do it but only time will tell that. He might really want to now, doesn't mean next week he still will. Any addict will tell you it is a lifelong commitment to get and stay clean

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair - Johnny is an addict he has been clean many times before and relapsed. He needs to get clean and stay clean and that takes a lot of dedication. Hopefully he will do it but only time will tell that. He might really want to now, doesn't mean next week he still will. Any addict will tell you it is a lifelong commitment to get and stay clean

That's very true. Addicts can relapse.
Hopefully he will stay clean. He looks so much happier.

[Vanessa]

Talking about sniggering, Amber was doing just that towards the end of the trial.
She looked very smug to me. I don't like arrogant people.

[Vanessa]

Amber is an addict as well, but I think she's very much in denial.