[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Because it's even less accepting than being gay or lesbian.

Where? By whom?

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Re non binary, well I disagree. I think you're very ignorant on the subject and judgemental, close minded. Shame really. How about just accepting people for who they are and judging them on whether they're a nice person or not? How does it impact you? Doesn't really so let people be people...if someone wants to identify as a tiger I really couldn't give a toss, it's their life, not mine

You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where? By whom?


You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

Tbh I've noticed most 'non binary' people don't care which pronouns they get called when it comes to 'he & she' . It can get confusing to keep saying "they", and I've actually seen people still say male or female despite insisting they identify as neither so there you .

With the whole tiger thing , well there is people out there who have had their bodies modified to look more 'animal like' , I personally don't understand why or what the point is. But it's their bodies. They know the dangers & risks medically yet they chose to do it .

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where? By whom?


You can disagree all you like. Gender identity is a social construct, however you identify you're still male or female. Non-binary doesn't need legal recognition because it has no real existence. I don't care how nice or otherwise someone who identifies as non-binary is, their niceness doesn't make their luxury belief become true.

If someone identifies as a tiger,should we force them to eat raw meat they've hunted themselves? No, because they're not a tiger and would probably die from food poisoning. Of someone identifies as a "gender" he or she biologically isn't, should we pay along and let them into the opposite sex's sports and spaces, and allow the law to openly lie about someone having no gender? No, because gender isn't al.

We're all just apes in clothes.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cy/node/24594

Also of you have a Google the research is out there. If you can't work out yourself why trans people are likely to be more discriminated against than gay or lesbian people then I don't know what else to say. I can't be bothered to educate you when you're a bigot as it really won't change your stance.

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times. Times have evolved massively and I like to think we're more accepting these days.

Again, it really has no impact on your life.

Trans people being able to participate in sports events is another conversation, but I do agree with your point on that.

I just don't like how you completely dismiss how another person should feel or even acknowledge that it is a thing. They aren't harming no one so does it really matter? No it really does not. It's easy for you to be so ignorant when you're not that person.

Legal recognition and someone identifying as that can be two completing different things. Unless they have had an operation and then want to change their sex legally.

We shouldnt force them to do anything, if they want to do something then they can. It's not my life and it's not yours!!!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/cy/node/24594

Also of you have a Google the research is out there. If you can't work out yourself why trans people are likely to be more discriminated against than gay or lesbian people then I don't know what else to say. I can't be bothered to educate you when you're a bigot as it really won't change your stance.

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times. Times have evolved massively and I like to think we're more accepting these days.

Again, it really has no impact on your life.

Trans people being able to participate in sports events is another conversation, but I do agree with your point on that.

I just don't like how you completely dismiss how another person should feel or even acknowledge that it is a thing. They aren't harming no one so does it really matter? No it really does not. It's easy for you to be so ignorant when you're not that person.

Legal recognition and someone identifying as that can be two completing different things. Unless they have had an operation and then want to change their sex legally.

We shouldnt force them to do anything, if they want to do something then they can. It's not my life and it's not yours!!!

But what if Oliver identifies as a bigot, shouldn't you respect him for that and let people be who they want to be?

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Alf

But what if Oliver identifies as a bigot, shouldn't you respect him for that and let people be who they want to be?

Objection, irrelevant.

Don't play silly with me.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Objection, irrelevant.

Don't play silly with me.

Some people think that others identifying as a tiger is playing silly.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Alf

Some people think that others identifying as a tiger is playing silly.

It might seem silly,but there's literally a bloke somewhere who's had his tongue split & wants to look like a lizard.

There's another one somewhere who had his face modified to look like a cat . Like i said .. I'll never understand it but it's their bodies & their choice,and they know the medical risks.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

You say gender identity is a social construct, that is so behind the times.

Which scientists agree with this?

Gender identity is literally a belief, there's nothing there.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which scientists agree with this?

Gender identity is literally a belief, there's nothing there.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ly-constructed

A well known source again it is behind the times to view it as just a social construct, it's a lot more than that.

You're making yourself look silly now. Behave


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