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Zizu · 09-07-2022, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The tory party is just filled wall to wall with quality

They didn’t appreciate Boris ..
They will get slaughtered in the next general election ... if Labour get shut of Starmer and get someone decent in

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MTVN · 09-07-2022, 07:28 PM

What a sad bunch of non entities

It's one thing if you oust a PM for a rising star or heavyweight politician but Christ, we've really lost Boris so that a Suella Braveman or Grant Shapps can govern

LeatherTrumpet · 09-07-2022, 07:30 PM

bitontheslide · 09-07-2022, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

What a sad bunch of non entities

It's one thing if you oust a PM for a rising star or heavyweight politician but Christ, we've really lost Boris so that a Suella Braveman or Grant Shapps can govern

in fairness, a lot of the problem is that Boris filled his cabinet with intellectual lightweights meaning they are the ones with the highest public profile.

If Boris had actually included people on a competency basis rather than if they were brexiteers, we would be in a far better position

joeysteele · 09-07-2022, 07:36 PM

I'm only surprised Zahawi has just declared himself.
My thoughts are he's been planning this a fair while now.

However just what anyone will think really of a man who was out defending to the hilt Johnson.
Who once Sunak resigned, then spent over 2 hours talking to Johnson and then taking on the Chancellor post.

Coming out on TV again, stating that he supported the PM Johnson.
Adding that Johnson's now aims were, delivery, delivery, delivery.

Then incredibly within 24 hours was telling Johnson to resign.

It's been reported that some in number 10 branded Gove a snake.
In my view, I would maybe look at Zahawi more for that.

Zahawi's word seems as meaningless as Johnson's.
It does to me anyhow.

MTVN · 09-07-2022, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in fairness, a lot of the problem is that Boris filled his cabinet with intellectual lightweights meaning they are the ones with the highest public profile.

If Boris had actually included people on a competency basis rather than if they were brexiteers, we would be in a far better position

Maybe but there's nothing stopping non cabinet members running. In fairness I think some of the current runners do a good job as ministers (I think Zahawi and Saj are good ministers, Rishi has done well at times) but to be PM you need that something extra. Imo our two best ministers are Wallace and Gove and neither are running

bitontheslide · 09-07-2022, 07:43 PM

Cameron was a pretty bland figure and won, May was a very bland figure and won (just) Major was a bland figure and won .... so bland may well be the golden formula

MTVN · 09-07-2022, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Cameron was a pretty bland figure and won, May was a very bland figure and won (just) Major was a bland figure and won .... so bland may well be the golden formula

Cameron was the great new hope! The youthful and modern Conservative

MTVN · 09-07-2022, 07:47 PM

May was bland but it seemed appropriate in the wake of a divisive referendum, in the end it failed though. Feel like we need a bold character now who can cut it on the world stage and none of them are that

arista · 09-07-2022, 07:49 PM

[Zahawi's word seems as meaningless as Johnson's.
It does to me anyhow.]

Yes we need a TV debate,
With a Live Audience

Who ever says they will do one
can Steam ahead,
on this Speeding Train

Choo Choo

arista · 09-07-2022, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

May was bland but it seemed appropriate in the wake of a divisive referendum, in the end it failed though. Feel like we need a bold character now who can cut it on the world stage and none of them are that

May was a Mega Error.
Wasting years on Brexit

Zizu · 09-07-2022, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in fairness, a lot of the problem is that Boris filled his cabinet with intellectual lightweights meaning they are the ones with the highest public profile.

If Boris had actually included people on a competency basis rather than if they were brexiteers, we would be in a far better position

That’s a fair assessment

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Zizu · 09-07-2022, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Cameron was a pretty bland figure and won, May was a very bland figure and won (just) Major was a bland figure and won .... so bland may well be the golden formula

David Sharkey only yesterday described the above people as all being “unintended” PMs ... all just in the right place at the right time ?!?!

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LeatherTrumpet · 09-07-2022, 07:56 PM

Number 6 of what the new Tory leader should do of 11 from the DT

6. Don’t worry about the woke

The people who fret about identity politics will never vote Tory, so stop trying to impress them. If you believe that only women can be pregnant, say so. If you think the obsession with box-ticking in public appointments has gone far enough, call a halt to it. As I write, there look like being five ethnic minority leadership candidates, all of whom have unquestionably risen through merit. The Conservatives have nothing to apologise for and nothing to prove. They should, as Kemi Badenoch says, tell people the truth – however pleasant it is.

Alf · 09-07-2022, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

So Far The Official 6 are

Rishi Sunak
Grant Shapps
Kemi Badendhat
Suella Braveman
Tom Tugendhat
Nadhim Zahwawi

Diversity Labour could only talk about but not do.

LeatherTrumpet · 09-07-2022, 07:59 PM

10. Restore our sovereignty

If, by the next election, illegal migrants are still reaching Britain without the prospect of being sent to Rwanda, the Conservatives will be trounced. Voters won’t blame Strasbourg judges; they’ll blame the government. It may be that the only way to allow deportations is to quit the ECHR. Suella Braverman reached this conclusion as Attorney General. How many of her fellow leadership contenders share it?