[The Slim Reaper]

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Everyone has the right to feel what they feel about everything

But there's feeling a certain way, and then there's being vile - an American "professor" got dragged on twitter for wishing an excruciating death on the Queen (before the announcement)

However much blame you throw at her for historic wrongs she had nothing to do with, that's disgusting behaviour.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

[Redway]

@ The Slim Reaper. I don’t know why Oliver’s post was included in that quote.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Redway

I hear that but this is re. the queen per-se, not England/Britain per-se. A lot of the vitriol kicking-off right now is pretty personal.

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's impossible to separate the Queen from the country. Have you got some examples of the vitriol aimed at her?

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

Oh, Obianuju.

Yeah, that’s absolutely-vile.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

Oh I agree that she is entitled to be a prick.

[GoldHeart]

The Queen's Christmas Speech 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkTJ...nuelChrissandi

[Redway]

“May her pain be excruciating.”

I agree that she shouldn’t lose her job (I like her stuff overall) but that comment was absolutely-disgusting. I don’t want to say that black people can be their-own worst-enemies because that would just be disproportionately-hypocritical (and on the contrary there’s no shortage of white males who fulfil that quota, probably more-than anyone else on-the-whole) but there’s having an opinion about the monarchy and how colonialism had adverse effects on the actualisation of Biafra and whatnot (you’ll have to study the history of Igbo people if Biafra comes-across as a totally-foreign word to you) and there’s just being vile and overly-personal. I’m disgusted in Uju, tbh.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sounds pretty vitriolic to me!

( not that this should need pointing out, but I hope the woman's job isn't at risk, however foul she is. As a tenured "professor" she should be fine )

I'm not defending it because the last line is not something to make public if that's what she feels. She is, however, clearly talking about the institution, which is valid. We're not really taught the true history of this country and it's empire. What we did to India and Africa in particular will never be fully understood by most; even though most think they do understand it. To this day, everyone still makes jokes about the Irish and potatoes (not calling anyone out, I do it myself), which shows how cleansed and unserious our history has become. We lost around 1-1.3 million troops in both world wars, but killed over a million Irish people in 6 years because why not?

That doesn't mean that we should all be saying hail Marys every night for our sins to be forgiven; because they were the sins of our fathers, not us, but what happened then was barbarism and cruelty, and the crown still represents that in many parts of the world. As a nation, we still hold a grudge against Germany, and now imagine what they did in Europe for 5-10 years they did to only us, and not for a decade, but for a couple of hundred years. Imagine the resentment and anger that would exist within our national psyche. That's how people have a right to feel about us.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not defending it because the last line is not something to make public if that's what she feels. She is, however, clearly talking about the institution, which is valid. We're not really taught the true history of this country and it's empire. What we did to India and Africa in particular will never be fully understood by most; even though most think they do understand it. To this day, everyone still makes jokes about the Irish and potatoes (not calling anyone out, I do it myself), which shows how cleansed and unserious our history has become. We lost around 1-1.3 million troops in both world wars, but killed over a million Irish people in 6 years because why not?

That doesn't mean that we should all be saying hail Marys every night for our sins to be forgiven; because they were the sins of our fathers, not us, but what happened then was barbarism and cruelty, and the crown still represents that in many parts of the world. As a nation, we still hold a grudge against Germany, and now imagine what they did in Europe for 5-10 years they did to only us, and not for a decade, but for a couple of hundred years. Imagine the resentment and anger that would exist within our national psyche. That's how people have a right to feel about us.

Can’t really disagree. I think it all boils down to the fact that there are some things to make public (as far as personal prerogative goes) and some things to keep to oneself. The last sentence falls under the latter.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was looking for an unequivocal yes in the options, but couldn't find one. But yes, anyone has the right to have antagonistic feelings about what this country has done and how it still treats people to this day.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree with this and just to say as well, Nelson Mandela is mentioned in the options there, when he died there was plenty of people being disrespectful towards him and calling him a terrorist etc Speculation on my part of course but I'd wager that a lot of those people are the same ones who are now demanding no one has a bad word to say about the Queen/Monarchy etc

**I don't mean people on here, I mean in general/on social media

Personally speaking, people can say anything bad about whoever they want to, especially if the person in question has put themselves under public scrutiny.

However again with Mandela, it's very easy for those people that you're on about to call him a terrorist when they're not being treated like a piece of **** in their own country, and democracy wasn't really available to Mandela at the time.