[Mrluvaluva]

I think suicide is quite a courageous thing to carry out, and a person must be pretty desperate to actually go through with it. They must see no other way of getting out of the pain they are in. On the other hand, it can be quite a cowardly thing to do. The "easy option" if you like. Just end it all because things are so bad. It is an easier way out than to try and get things back on track. IMO, it depends on the situation a person is in. A broken heart can lead a person to do irrational things for instance.

It is a selflish act too. Imagine the pain that is left with other people to deal with, especially if you have a spouse, siblings and family. Friends too. It remains with them for the rest of their lives. Questions that are unanswered. Self torment on other people.

It may be a cry for help, but sometimes a cry can go too far.

You may be able to help people by talking to them, and reassuring them, and in a lot of cases, it does help for them to speak to someone impartial, like a doctor, or a councilllor. The main thing is to try and get them as much help as possible, in order to avert their demise.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I think suicide is quite a courageous thing to carry out, and a person must be pretty desperate to actually go through with it. They must see no other way of getting out of the pain they are in. On the other hand, it can be quite a cowardly thing to do. The "easy option" if you like. Just end it all because things are so bad. It is an easier way out than to try and get things back on track. IMO, it depends on the situation a person is in. A broken heart can lead a person to do irrational things for instance.

It is a selfless act too. Imagine the pain that is left with other people to deal with, especially if you have a spouse, siblings and family. Friends too. It remains with them for the rest of their lives. Questions that are unanswered. Self torment on other people.

It may be a cry for help, but sometimes a cry can go too far.

You may be able to help people by talking to them, and reassuring them, and in a lot of cases, it does help for them to speak to someone impartial, like a doctor, or a councilllor. The main thing is to try and get them as much help as possible, in order to avert their demise.

Do you mean selfish?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Jack

Do you mean selfish?

Yes sorry. I will amend, but it is also a selfless act too.

[Jackie]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I think suicide is quite a courageous thing to carry out, and a person must be pretty desperate to actually go through with it. They must see no other way of getting out of the pain they are in. On the other hand, it can be quite a cowardly thing to do. The "easy option" if you like. Just end it all because things are so bad. It is an easier way out than to try and get things back on track. IMO, it depends on the situation a person is in. A broken heart can lead a person to do irrational things for instance.

It is a selflish act too. Imagine the pain that is left with other people to deal with, especially if you have a spouse, siblings and family. Friends too. It remains with them for the rest of their lives. Questions that are unanswered. Self torment on other people.

It may be a cry for help, but sometimes a cry can go too far.

You may be able to help people by talking to them, and reassuring them, and in a lot of cases, it does help for them to speak to someone impartial, like a doctor, or a councilllor. The main thing is to try and get them as much help as possible, in order to avert their demise.

I agree its the people left behind that suffers the most,when my daughter died i never once thought about suicide,i couldnt imagine my family without me,and how they would cope.But some people are so desperate theres no other way out for them.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yeah. You have to think about what it would do to others. You have to carry on. I suppose it depends on how strong the person is though?

[natjake2504]

I dont beleive in it and think anyone that considers it are selfish and cowards but at the same time you get alot of people killing themselves while they have had mental health problems so is this the NHS failing them!!!!!!

[northcircular]

just like what has happened to these people from (bridgend) when you make the final decision to end your own life; your fate is in your own hands; from the moment you take a drugs overdose or slash your wrists or hang yourself or any other way you choose to end your life; basically it is up to the individual to choose.

anyone can get depressed at any time in their lives. sometimes it can be losing a loved one or a stressful situation which you can no longer handle or basically just getting fed up with life in general. you could find yourself losing your house; going bankcrupt; even going to a casino and gambling away everything you have got then walk out and shoot yourself. the reasons can be many; but the choice is yours at the time you decide.

the best thing to do is when you are in that situation whereby you are feeling suicidal is to think of what makes you happy in life. it's funny how the little pleasures in life which we seem to forget about because we are busy living a pretty routine lifestyle and there are many things which we fail to do; as we just don't bother anymore.

things like (riding a bicycle) or (going to a theme park) or (going to a zoo) I could list hundreds of examples of pleasurable things which many of us just don't do; either because we feel we have moved on from those sorts of pleasures; or like I said earlier; we get into a routine and tend to leave behind those past pleasures from past times.

I find it sad when I hear of teenagers who are still at school or at college/uni/doing a course; and some choose to kill themselves at such an early age; because they just can't handle the pressures of life. there is always light at the edge of the tunnel and no matter how bad you ever feel; there is always help available. even if it means joining a forum or if you don't have access to a computer; there is always the (samaritans) they will always listen to you and there job is to help you; but ultimately you have to find it within yourself to keep your chin up and get through those bad times and if life seems hard or you are a victim of bullying or even if you are having problems with your family; there is always help available and if one door doesn't open; find another that does.

suicide is something which is always available to all of us; but it's not the answer. life is precious; so enjoy every moment. if someone wishes to upset you then find a way past them. take it from me; it's yourself and the people you care about and care about you that is most important. but if someone is thinking of suicide; then offer them the right advice if you can or point them in the right direction.

if they say (don't pity me; leave me alone) then you may have to get help for them without asking them.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by natjake2504
I dont beleive in it and think anyone that considers it are selfish and cowards but at the same time you get alot of people killing themselves while they have had mental health problems so is this the NHS failing them!!!!!!

I respect your right to this opinion but certainly dont share it. If you have truly read some of the things people have said in this thread you might think differently about things and may show a little tact with your response.

I agree with your end comment about the NHS failing people with mental health issues BUT I also know how hard it is to get someone with mental health problems to engage with professionals. I suppose it is a viscious circle really. Services are limited and people dont want to be labelled, maybe the way people are approached and supported could change to lift some of the stigma from menatl health treatment.

[Ruth]

I don't think anyone can condemn someone for committing suicide - how do we know what other people are going through? I do feel sorry for the people left behind, who often feel guilty and wonder if there's anything they could have done (I believe that there usually is nothing that they could have done).

People who are feeling suicidal need help and understanding, not someone calling them selfish and cowardly. It's all too easy to make judgements when it's not you in that situation.

We were actually talking about this at work the other day...everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own life, and if that is the case, and someone is determined to commit suicide - should someone intervene? If I thought a friend or family member of mine was feeling suicidal, I would definitely want to help in any way I could, but I know that the Samaritans are not allowed to act if they believe that someone is at risk of killing themselves - should we let people kill themselves, if that is what they want?

[Sunny_01]

Yep you are right there Ruth the samaritans are not in the position to talk you out of suicide, they will support you through a difficult time but also support your right to choose. They do hope that their support will allow people to feel a little less helpless and more in control of their emotions and in turn less likely to attempt or to actually succeed at suicide.

I have been one of those friends left behind and watched the suffering that her family went through, however I still respect her decision. That of course wasnt my immediate reaction, my immediate reaction was one of complete anger, but that feeling quickly changed.