[bots]

i think we live in such unpredictable times that no-one can predict with any certainty what the country will be like next month let alone in 2 years time

What will be will be

[arista]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Kier looks a bit like Norman Wisdom there.

Yes Good Spotting that.
Black and White photo does make
Starmer
look like Norman.

[The Slim Reaper]

Normal party on normal island.

[arista]

Yes Slim
he wants to get into power
at the next General Election.

[bots]

the mp's should be seen and not heard, seems perfectly sensible to me

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Kier looks a bit like Norman Wisdom there.

Don't insult Norman Wisdom's memory .

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the mp's should be seen and not heard, seems perfectly sensible to me

No room for a republican discussion or opinion?

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

No room for a republican discussion or opinion?

are all the labour party republicans? I don't think so

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

are all the labour party republicans? I don't think so

I don't think so either, but there will be a few, and they aren't allowed to speak?

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't think so either, but there will be a few, and they aren't allowed to speak?

i would imagine that is similar to them not being allowed at the coal face with the unions. Starmer is scared one of them says something insulting

[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Something that does concern me is any influence Blair may have or be given.
However it seems voters find that thought more attractive.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Something that does concern me is any influence Blair may have or be given.
However it seems voters find that thought more attractive.

After 12 years of tory mass murder, the thought of another mass murderer pulling the strings behind newnew labour isn't as bad as it ought to be.

[bots]

no way Starmer would take advice from Blair

[bots]

some dodgy stuff going on in the labour party. The guy that defied keir to join the strikers and was sacked from the shadow cabinet has now been deselected as an mp. He is the deputy's partner

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

some dodgy stuff going on in the labour party. The guy that defied keir to join the strikers and was sacked from the shadow cabinet has now been deselected as an mp. He is the deputy's partner

Interesting.

He did defy Starmer and go back again to picket lines.
Which I don't condemn him for at all.

These reselection issues are for the constituencies to decide on.
He lost the vote quite heavily.

It is for the constituency to select the candidate it wants.
Which Ilford South has decided to do and they don't want Sam.

No matter who he may be connected with.
That's their right to do so.

[bots]

it's further complicated by the guy that won being deselected at the last election due to serious misconduct that was later quashed and now he is back

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

After 12 years of tory mass murder, the thought of another mass murderer pulling the strings behind newnew labour isn't as bad as it ought to be.

2010 LibDem-Conservative Joint Power May 2010
2015 Conservative Power
2019 Conservative Power
2022 Still Conservative Power


So 5 years of LibDem- Conservative Joint Power

Gives us 7 Years, of Conservative Power,
Slim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

2010 LibDem-Conservative Joint Power May 2010
2015 Conservative Power
2019 Conservative Power
2022 Still Conservative Power


So 5 years of LibDem- Conservative Joint Power

Gives us 7 Years, of Conservative Power,
Slim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)

Except the Lib Dems were merely a supportive band of votes for Con hard-line policies.

The Lib Dems threw out all but around a quarter of their policies.
Minor ones which the Cons were happy to include were kept.
They threw out their holy grail of PR.
Getting a useless referendum on AV only.

Whereas the Cons got all of three quarters of their main policies enacted.
The harsher spending cuts.
The heartless new testing of the sick and disabled.
The bedroom tax.
Not just doubling tuition fees but TREBLING them with Lib Dem votes despite Lib Dems wanting the fees ABOLISHED.
Then the biggest and costliest top down re-organisation of the NHS.
Which they both promised wouldn't take place.

Apart from Charles Kennedy who didn't support much of the coalition legislation.
The Lib Dems capitulated to the Cons, just to be ensured of a 5 year term of shared power.
Clegg as Deputy PM.
Plus a few token ministerial positions for Cable, Davey, Swinson etc.

That 5 years was near fully dominated by the Cons extreme, heartless in parts and harder line legislation.
The Lib Dems just there for their votes.

I term this as up to now over 12 years of Con dominated power on the all the main issues.
The coalition was in the end a joke but a very sick one.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Except the Lib Dems were merely a supportive band of votes for Con hard-line policies."


Yes not Elected

Like New Labours Gordon Brown also Never Elected

You keep saying that about Brown.
Which you're not accurate in doing so.

There was an agreement between them that Blair would look to hand over to Brown during government.
Brown it seems got irritated that Blair went on to fight the 3rd election.

Then the rumblings emerged from Browns supporters.

When Blair stood down, the party accepted Brown as leader.
In the main the party rallied round his leadership.

Theresa May too was in effect only coronated after Leadsom dropped out in that Con contest.

In 13 years of Labour government only one change of leader came about.

If you think Brown was unelected, that's wrong.
The Labour party in government endorsed his leadership.

By your thinking then Truss should go to the Country in an election now too then.
As she's only been put in place by her party members.
Not even by Con MPs.

Certainly NOT by the electorate either.

You can't have it all ways.
Separate rules for the Con party, then other rules for parties you just don't like

[bots]

the longer the tories remain in power, the more likely they will be completely wiped out at the next election. Truss seems to think her -30 against labour is going to improve, it won't

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the longer the tories remain in power, the more likely they will be completely wiped out at the next election. Truss seems to think her -30 against labour is going to improve, it won't

I no way believe Labour is even 20 never mind 30 points ahead of the Cons.
Do you really bots.
You have been pretty good on political polling in the past on here.

I think Labour is in double figures as to a lead but more likely 12+

I can see yougov and others coming out in time with leads like that to positively present a 'Truss slashes Labour lead' line.

Her task is a very hard one.
If Labour is around 12% ahead.
Then Truss has to wipe that out altogether and then to get at least 4 or 5% ahead herself to have any chance of remaining the government.

I'm always sceptical of polls.
However if Labour IS anything like up to 20 or more percentage points ahead.
Well, I'll be extremely happy indeed.

[bots]

i honestly think she is 30 points down. We had the summer to see how bad she was, she had gone from one gaff to the next. On top of all that, their performance on the economy is devastatingly bad which is where they normally score points over labour. They are absolutely stuffed

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i honestly think she is 30 points down. We had the summer to see how bad she was, she had gone from one gaff to the next. On top of all that, their performance on the economy is devastatingly bad which is where they normally score points over labour. They are absolutely stuffed

While being sorry deeply for the people of the UK from all you've said above bots.

I also hope your last 4 words are absolutely right.