[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by jet

No, it is not a lie.

How the EU’s Covid-19 vaccine rollout became an ‘advert for Brexit’

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ert-for-brexit

If we’d still been in the EU, many, many more in the UK would have died. We were at least 3 months ahead of the EU in the vaccine rollout thanks to our government’s quick actions.

#NotThisAgain

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

No, it is not a lie.

How the EU’s Covid-19 vaccine rollout became an ‘advert for Brexit’

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ert-for-brexit

If we’d still been in the EU, many, many more in the UK would have died. We were at least 3 months ahead of the EU in the vaccine rollout thanks to our government’s quick actions.

Again, it didn't. Under EU law, countries are permitted to act independently to approve vaccines. Other countries within the EU did the same thing. This has been done to death, so I thought the lies about it had stopped, but I didn't allow for you, I guess.

[Zizu]

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[joeysteele]

Penny didn't do too well in this tibb poll did she.
I know it's only a small number but a poor showing.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Again, it didn't. Under EU law, countries are permitted to act independently to approve vaccines. Other countries within the EU did the same thing. This has been done to death, so I thought the lies about it had stopped, but I didn't allow for you, I guess.

https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...h-astrazeneca/

How Europe fell behind on vaccines

Heralded for months as the flagship of European solidarity during the coronavirus pandemic, the European Commission’s strategy of joint vaccine procurement is now being accused by national leaders of being too bureaucratic, too limiting to its members, too slow.

Specifically, the bloc’s decisions to prioritize process over speed and to put solidarity between EU countries ahead of giving individual governments more room to maneuver have been criticized for holding back the coronavirus response.

This account is based on dozens of interviews with diplomats, Commission officials, pharma industry representatives and national government aides. It details how the European Commission overcame a disorganized start to lead reluctant member countries in a successful effort to reserve an arsenal of vaccines that’s the envy of the world when it comes to cost and the diversification of smart bets.

It also shows how a vaccine strategy that was supposed to be a forceful show of European solidarity, an assertion of the single market’s buying power and a moral stand against Trumpian “vaccine nationalism” resulted in a rollout that has left the EU lagging behind the United Kingdom and the United States.

EU countries stuck together even as the U.S. and the U.K. bought, approved and began injecting vaccines at a faster clip. The result: lower prices, with higher accountability for drugmakers, and shots for the whole of the EU — but also delays in delivery and rising tensions among EU member countries resentful about the tradeoffs.

Over the past 10 months of the global vaccine race, the EU was often a step or two behind: Its move to secure doses came only after warnings that the U.S. might monopolize supply. Its deliberative approach to regulatory approval has left EU citizens lagging behind the U.S. and the U.K. when it comes to getting access to vaccines — at a moment when delays are counted in lost lives.....
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I'll not call you a liar for believing differently - there was no need call me one.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.politico.eu/article/euro...h-astrazeneca/

How Europe fell behind on vaccines

Heralded for months as the flagship of European solidarity during the coronavirus pandemic, the European Commission’s strategy of joint vaccine procurement is now being accused by national leaders of being too bureaucratic, too limiting to its members, too slow.

Specifically, the bloc’s decisions to prioritize process over speed and to put solidarity between EU countries ahead of giving individual governments more room to maneuver have been criticized for holding back the coronavirus response.

This account is based on dozens of interviews with diplomats, Commission officials, pharma industry representatives and national government aides. It details how the European Commission overcame a disorganized start to lead reluctant member countries in a successful effort to reserve an arsenal of vaccines that’s the envy of the world when it comes to cost and the diversification of smart bets.

It also shows how a vaccine strategy that was supposed to be a forceful show of European solidarity, an assertion of the single market’s buying power and a moral stand against Trumpian “vaccine nationalism” resulted in a rollout that has left the EU lagging behind the United Kingdom and the United States.

EU countries stuck together even as the U.S. and the U.K. bought, approved and began injecting vaccines at a faster clip. The result: lower prices, with higher accountability for drugmakers, and shots for the whole of the EU — but also delays in delivery and rising tensions among EU member countries resentful about the tradeoffs.

Over the past 10 months of the global vaccine race, the EU was often a step or two behind: Its move to secure doses came only after warnings that the U.S. might monopolize supply. Its deliberative approach to regulatory approval has left EU citizens lagging behind the U.S. and the U.K. when it comes to getting access to vaccines — at a moment when delays are counted in lost lives.....
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I'll not call you a liar for believing differently - there was no need call me one.

If you ignore the fact that any country in the EU is allowed to sort their own vaccines out in a time of public health need, then you're lying. Facts don't indulge in beliefs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730


The UK's own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statement last month.

And its chief executive, Dr June Raine, said on Wednesday that "we have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law, which exist until 1 January".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

No, it is not a lie.

How the EU’s Covid-19 vaccine rollout became an ‘advert for Brexit’

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ert-for-brexit

If we’d still been in the EU, many, many more in the UK would have died. We were at least 3 months ahead of the EU in the vaccine rollout thanks to our government’s quick actions.

Our vaccine roll out here in Ireland was fine, you started quicker but we over took you

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-rollout-slows

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Our vaccine roll out here in Ireland was fine, you started quicker but we over took you

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-rollout-slows

i thought the uk gave ireland vaccines to help them out

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the uk gave ireland vaccines to help them out

There was talk of that but it didn't happen

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the uk gave ireland vaccines to help them out

You've mistaken vaccines for the empire

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If you ignore the fact that any country in the EU is allowed to sort their own vaccines out in a time of public health need, then you're lying. Facts don't indulge in beliefs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55163730


The UK's own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statement last month.

And its chief executive, Dr June Raine, said on Wednesday that "we have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law, which exist until 1 January".

They could, but few did. European 'solidarity' apparently.

"EU countries stuck together even as the U.S. and the U.K. bought, approved and began injecting vaccines at a faster clip."

Facts don't indulge in beliefs.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

They could, but few did. European 'solidarity' apparently.

"EU countries stuck together even as the U.S. and the U.K. bought, approved and began injecting vaccines at a faster clip."

Facts don't indulge in beliefs.

Some did and that's the point.

Besides, absolutely none of that is relevant. You stated that our vaccine rollout was because of brexit, I showed it wasn't, and you're still trying desperately to justify it. Weird but not unexpected.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Some did and that's the point.

Besides, absolutely none of that is relevant. You stated that our vaccine rollout was because of brexit, I showed it wasn't, and you're still trying desperately to justify it. Weird but not unexpected.

I have never said it was directly because of Brexit?
I said:
“Because we weren’t shackled to the European Union, thanks to Boris Britain was the first with the vaccination rollout, which he gave the go - ahead for.”

The point of my post was giving Boris his due - he had succeeded in pushing through with leaving the EU, (not that I was a big fan of leave particularly) therefore we were free from feeling the shackles of ‘solidarity’ or waiting for EMA approval, like the majority of Europe did and Boris was gutsy in giving the go ahead - the first country in the world to act.

Why do you often feel the need to add a spiteful comment to your posts?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

I have never said it was directly because of Brexit?
I said:
“Because we weren’t shackled to the European Union, thanks to Boris, Britain was the first with the vaccination rollout, which he gave the go - ahead for.”

The point of my post was giving Boris his due - he had succeeded in pushing through with leaving the EU, (not that I was a big fan of leave particularly) therefore we were free from feeling the shackles of ‘solidarity’ or waiting for EMA approval, like the majority of Europe did. Boris was gutsy in giving the go ahead - the first country in the world to act.

Why do you often feel the need to add a spiteful comment to your posts?

Of course not, not being shackled to the EU, replying to a post of Rustis where she said he got brexit done, could have meant absolutely anything.

What do you think was spiteful?

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Of course not, not being shackled to the EU, replying to a post of Rustis where she said he got brexit done, could have meant absolutely anything.

What do you think was spiteful?

You, when you realise you've picked up things the wrong way.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

You, when you realise you've picked up things the wrong way.

Ahh ok, so you found out you were wrong, and now your complaint is about how I addressed your nonsense? Nice chatting with you. As always

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ahh ok, so you found out you were wrong, and now your complaint is about how I addressed your nonsense? Nice chatting with you. As always

I usually avoid engaging with you but thought I’d give you a rare treat. I understand that my superior knowledge has taxed you enough and you want to go bye bye.
So to you too.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

I usually avoid engaging with you but thought I’d give you a rare treat. I understand that my superior knowledge has taxed you enough and you want to go bye bye.
So to you too.

If I were you I'd stick to avoiding engaging with me, because you are just completely factually incorrect here. Doesn't matter whether it's me pointing it out, Niamh, Bots, LT, or anyone else. The facts are the important thing, not the messenger.

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If I were you I'd stick to avoiding engaging with me, because you are just completely factually incorrect here. Doesn't matter whether it's me pointing it out, Niamh, Bots, LT, or anyone else. The facts are the important thing, not the messenger.

Ffs.
What does Niamh, bots, LT or anyone else have to do with it? None of them said anything about my post. Only you. I made my meaning clearer for you and if you can’t accept it I really don’t care. I’m done, but carry on about how 100% wrong you think I am if you must.
I won’t mind.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

Ffs.
What does Niamh, bots, LT or anyone else have to do with it? None of them said anything about my post. Only you. I made my meaning clearer for you and if you can’t accept it I really don’t care. I’m done, but carry on about how 100% wrong you think I am if you must.
I won’t mind.

I don't think you're wrong.