[Swan]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, I definitely don’t remember saying anything like that.

As far as what’s actually relevant goes my point is a lot of black people do need black-tailored services when it comes to certain things (including in the police-force, for the black people in the U.K. & Ireland who are officers). Arguing against that with reverse-racism (which so isn’t a thing, by the way) isn’t the best form.

Alright well then i apologise.

But you would have to agree the UK has taken leaps and strides in combating historical racism. I remember asking the question a long time ago, this country is a heaven for millions of migrants, it's why they come here, from all races and walks of life. As much as im against the class structure and royalty, over all this country is light-years ahead of others when it comes to acceptance and multi culture. (im not talking about this case, im just freestyling thoughts)

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one who's alive now will even have had great-grandparents who were slaves. There comes a point where if they're not over it by now, no amount of support will help them get their lives together.

It’s not so much about slavery (especially outside America). It’s more about having specific cultural niches that are better-understood by fellow black people and the collective experience of racism. Passively-denying black people the right to feel their real experiences (theirs, not yours) really is gaslighting and 99% of the time I don’t use that word lightly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And? I could release a transcript of a conversation I just had, I don't have a recording of it but its my recollection and the transcript would be out there.
No proof that she intentionally took a recording device to cause this as Farage said. That's my argument here.

but its my recollection

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but you accept that means zero and is proof of nothing

I can say i met you and you said you despise black people

and without your input it means utterly nothing?

and even with your input in the eyes of law

it means nothing

without actual evidence

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

And? I could release a transcript of a conversation I just had, I don't have a recording of it but its my recollection and the transcript would be out there.
No proof that she intentionally took a recording device to cause this as Farage said. That's my argument here.

Reality check

Is that old woman any threat to the black population having equal rights in this world, the answer is no

There is a reason this is making headlines and it’s not for the benefit of black lives.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Swan

Alright well then i apologise.

But you would have to agree the UK has taken leaps and strides in combating historical racism. I remember asking the question a long time ago, this country is a heaven for millions of migrants, it's why they come here, from all races and walks of life. As much as im against the class structure and royalty, over all this country is light-years ahead of others when it comes to acceptance and multi culture. (im not talking about this case, im just freestyling thoughts)

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

but its my recollection

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but you accept that means zero and is proof of nothing

I can say i met you and you said you despise black people

and without your input it means utterly nothing?

and even with your input in the eyes of law

it means nothing

without actual evidence

I completely agree.

But also saying she took a recording device as she intended to cause this means nothing also, particularly as there is NO PROOF the recording exists Don't even really know what your arguement is here, you posted the Farage clip as proof of something, I am just disputing one part of what HE said

[Crimson Dynamo]

Racism in places like Africa and Asia dwarfs places like the UK. The least racist country on earth

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I completely agree.

But also saying she took a recording device as she intended to cause this means nothing also, particularly as there is NO PROOF the recording exists Don't even really know what your arguement is here, you posted the Farage clip as proof of something, I am just disputing one part of what HE said

im glad you agree her recollections of what was said is biased and suspect

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Reality check

Is that old woman any threat to the black population having equal rights in this world, the answer is no

There is a reason this is making headlines and it’s not for the benefit of black lives.

I don't need a reality check thank you very much

I have merely queries the words and intentions of part of a Farage clip that is trying to push intent on this situation

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Racism in places like Africa and Asia dwarfs places like the UK. The least racist country on earth

So you are admitting racism exists in the U.K. (which is what this whole discussion’s about, not how you think it is in India or South Africa). Good. That’s a start.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

But are you aware of jungle justice being carried out in African countries, in which Some one gets sentenced to death has a burning tyre put around their neck

Or African men giving young girls aids by forcing them to have sex with out a condom

Some people you can help and some you can’t and that is found in every skin colour

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s come a long way but racism still exists. Not everyone’s going to be aware of the subtleties of covert/institutional racism (and as far as that goes it’s also an unfortunate tale to witness many younger black males, for example now, being seen as an inherent threat when they haven’t actually done anything but want to just get on and mine their business) but there’s no point trying to have an honest good-intentioned discussion about racism while wilfully invalidating black people’s experiences of racism on a more intrinsic level.

It's invalidating to ask the question in 2022. The saddest thing about all this -
1. Whites thinking they "understand" a black persons current/historical struggle better than other whites. Truth is, none of us will ever really know!
2. We buy into this hyperbol the media spin puts on race relations.
3. Why can't us regular people just get along, black, white, brown etc. We're all in the same boat, all just trying to get on in life. It's depressing, there has been million of normal, polite, friendly interactions with white people, black people, brown people today in this country. Yet no one sees that.

If only this much effort, time and debate went on why, and to try and make better the black teens in London stabbing each other daily.

It's sad.

Anyway, back to the football.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

So you are admitting racism exists in the U.K. (which is what this whole discussion’s about, not how you think it is in India or South Africa). Good. That’s a start.

yes mainly among the African and Asian communities but we are making great strides there

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't need a reality check thank you very much

I have merely queries the words and intentions of part of a Farage clip that is trying to push intent on this situation

It’s an old woman having a conversation

Regardless of what was said or what can be proven

She didn’t pull out a knife and start stabbing all the African guests or were ever the fcuk they are from.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes mainly among the African and Asian communities but we are making great strides there

I’d stop here as you’re really not doing yourself any favours.

@ sheriff, I’m aware (and, yes, good and bad exists in every race) but I’m struggling to see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dress 100% African

i run an exclusive African-ONLY charity

my name is 100% African

oh are you from Africa?

"Racist"

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i dress 100% African

i run an exclusive African-ONLY charity

my name is 100% African

oh are you from Africa?

"Racist"

She runs an Afro.-Caribbean charity, not a solely African one.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's invalidating to ask the question in 2022. The saddest thing about all this -
1. Whites thinking they "understand" a black persons current/historical struggle better than other whites. Truth is, none of us will ever really know!
2. We buy into this hyperbol the media spin puts on race relations.
3. Why can't us regular people just get along, black, white, brown etc. We're all in the same boat, all just trying to get on in life. It's depressing, there has been million of normal, polite, friendly interactions with white people, black people, brown people today in this country. Yet no one sees that.

If only this much effort, time and debate went on why, and to try and make better the black teens in London stabbing each other daily.

It's sad.

Anyway, back to the football.

Why do I get the impression that animal-abuse matters more to you than racism?

[Liam-]

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’

Meaning what exactly when lots of decent people with racism-awareness (probably more than you know) have commented in this thread?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As Dave the rapper says ‘the least racist is still racist’

as Barney from JLS says

Dave the rapper is a wanker

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’d stop here as you’re really not doing yourself any favours.

@ sheriff, I’m aware (and, yes, good and bad exists in every race) but I’m struggling to see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

It’s a reminder that some of the worlds population are scum regardless of skin colour and they are still torturing and murdering their own.

You will never see the end of racism

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why do I get the impression that animal-abuse matters more to you than racism?

Why do i get the impression you don't give a toss about black children being stabbed to death every day in London?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Redway

Meaning what exactly when lots of decent people with racism-awareness (probably more than you know) have commented in this thread?

It’s a reference to countries, not people, slim would understand

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s an old woman having a conversation

Regardless of what was said or what can be proven

She didn’t pull out a knife and start stabbing all the African guests or were ever the fcuk they are from.

Again, who said she did?

Not quite sure why you keep saying this to me. I was merely pointing out that Farages words on that clip were misleading and baity. You can carry on getting more wildly accusatory about what you perceive people think happened but it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with what I am saying.

I think you may need the reality check here as you are putting words in people's mouths that have never existed in this discussion