[arista]

[parmnion]

The left really have got their claws into them.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The left really have got their claws into them.

Campaigning for higher pay is leftist? Well that's certainly a hot take . How do you explain that one?

[parmnion]

All nurses I've spoken to arnt striking becauseof the pay, or so they say.

This is just a smokescreen to hide the left puting more pressure on the flailing government.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All nurses I've spoken to arnt striking becauseof the pay, or so they say.

This is just a smokescreen to hide the left puting more pressure on the flailing government.

Absolute balls Parmy and I can actually say that with some authority on this one

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Absolute balls Parmy and I can actually say that with some authority on this one

You cant have authority on my personal experience I'm afraid.


I've talked to 5 nurses and carers the past 2 weeks..all denied it was the pay that was the main issue.

[LeatherTrumpet]

as i recall nurses worked thru the pandemic making many thousands over good working UK self employed people?

who were forced to not work for months after months

not many self employed on strike i see?

in a pandemic that was only an issue for the over 80s?

[arista]

SkyNews Text :
[Reports that ministers are under pressure
to open a new round of pay talks to avert the NHS strikes.]

[bitontheslide]

It is unfair for unions to "disrupt people's lives" with public-sector strikes at Christmas, Conservative chairman Nadhim Zahawi has said.

He said plans were in place to draft in the military to drive ambulances and secure borders if walkouts went ahead.

Mr Zahawi also told the BBC Russian President Vladimir Putin "wants to see" strikes, but unions criticised this.

Thousands of workers from various industries are set to strike this month in disputes over pay and conditions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63851251

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They are really laying on the guilt trip now, disgusting

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It is unfair for unions to "disrupt people's lives" with public-sector strikes at Christmas, Conservative chairman Nadhim Zahawi has said.

He said plans were in place to draft in the military to drive ambulances and secure borders if walkouts went ahead.

Mr Zahawi also told the BBC Russian President Vladimir Putin "wants to see" strikes, but unions criticised this.

Thousands of workers from various industries are set to strike this month in disputes over pay and conditions.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63851251

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They are really laying on the guilt trip now, disgusting

It's a wrong view if it's from Zahawi.
Who can trust him.

Sunak resigns, then FOR Johnson Zahawi jumped in as Chancellor.
Then in 24 hours was stabbing Johnson in the back.

Then he crawled to Truss too.

Now he's running up Sunak's backside.

What a total snake.
Just to have ANY prominent position.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The left really have got their claws into them.

Half truths blown up to look like cancer and A&E departments are going to be empty for two days.
Both these units will be fully covered by appropriate medical teams.

[Nicky91]

if teachers can go on strike regularly, then yes i agree with the nurses to also go on strikes for better salaries


nurses got tougher jobs than teachers too

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if teachers can go on strike regularly, then yes i agree with the nurses to also go on strikes for better salaries


nurses got tougher jobs than teachers too

The difference is people’s lives depend on hard-working nurses, silly. There’s a lot more to lose by nurses going on strike or feeling like they have to.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Half truths blown up to look like cancer and A&E departments are going to be empty for two days.
Both these units will be fully covered by appropriate medical teams.

Well that part isn't exactly accurate: they're not fully covered (or even close to it) right now because there's a gulf of nearly 50,000 nurses due to recruitment problems caused by poor pay and conditions (and the exodus of EU nurses caused by Brexit). A&E's are on a shoestring and horrendously understaffed in every single hospital in the UK.

One of the major reasons FOR the strike.

[Soldier Boy]

The whole thing is such a gross mindset really, the idea that medical staff should just put up with anything and everything out of a sense of "duty".

"Uhh you guys can't go on strike, you are vital and people will literally die if we don't have you working!!"

"If we're vital, pay us a salary that reflects our value."

".....no "

*nurses go on strike*

"REEEE stop it you are vital!"

[bitontheslide]

whats interesting is that after all the clap the nhs nonsense during the pandemic the media are now trying to scare the public into hating that very same nhs

Pay the nhs what they require to keep them happy and motivated doing their job and there wouldn't be any strikes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

whats interesting is that after all the clap the nhs nonsense during the pandemic the media are now trying to scare the public into hating that very same nhs

Pay the nhs what they require to keep them happy and motivated doing their job and there wouldn't be any strikes

Agreed

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

whats interesting is that after all the clap the nhs nonsense during the pandemic the media are now trying to scare the public into hating that very same nhs

Pay the nhs what they require to keep them happy and motivated doing their job and there wouldn't be any strikes

The press could do a much better job of making the public aware of just how bad the recruitment crisis currently is as well. People know staffing is bad now, but they have no idea what's on the horizon. Nursing is a stressful job with large amounts of responsibility - especially beyond the entry bands. Exhausted staff knowing that if they make a mistake while burnt out, someone could lose their life and they could lose their career over ngiht.

If it isn't an attractive career prospect, quite simply, fewer and fewer people are going to do it. What that actually looks like in terms of death toll year-on-year is absolutely massive. Services are already stretched to breaking point and it got worse through covid - waiting lists increased, some staff had simply had enough and quit. People are already dying because of it, they do report on that. They don't report that more people leave the profession than join it every year. The crisis is massive and looming, and will make a couple of 24h strikes look like nothing at all. Worried about no staff in A&E and cancer wards for a few days this month? In less than a decade the staff simply won't exist to strike, at all.

Even if you're pro-privatisation it means nothing. You could privatise the entire system tomorrow and make us all pay an insurance model and THEN the provate companies would pay the nurses more, most likely, as they do in the US. You're still up **** creek if you need emergency care in the next decade because there won't be any trained or experienced nurses to hire for another decade.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Well that part isn't exactly accurate: they're not fully covered (or even close to it) right now because there's a gulf of nearly 50,000 nurses due to recruitment problems caused by poor pay and conditions (and the exodus of EU nurses caused by Brexit). A&E's are on a shoestring and horrendously understaffed in every single hospital in the UK.

One of the major reasons FOR the strike.

Cancer units are an entirely different entity. Whilst I will agree that cancer patients get sent home far too early in present times, that's because of the lack of beds and the lack of beds is caused by the lack of social service provisions that help the elderly into nursing homes.
Cancer day units are and will remain fully staffed.

As for A&E, an already abysmal and somewhat dangerous place if you are seriously sick/injured; the provision of more junior doctors will be doing triage and more care assistants will be put in place on those days.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

whats interesting is that after all the clap the nhs nonsense during the pandemic the media are now trying to scare the public into hating that very same nhs

Pay the nhs what they require to keep them happy and motivated doing their job and there wouldn't be any strikes

I'm 100% in agreement with you there.