[James]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I always found that show rather silly. Weren't the characters supposed to be 15/16, yet the actors were in their 30s and looked it.

That is quite common in films and TV shows. The best example I can think of is Cameron in Ferris Bueller's Day Off being played by an actor who was about 30.

[MTVN]

Its a brilliant show but it is of its time. The Inbetweeners came up with a couple of my colleagues recently who are early 20s and they'd never seen an episode. At first that appalled me because it had such cult status amongst me and my friends but then I thought a big part of that was because we were the same age as the characters when it came out.

I don't know if today's teenagers would find it as funny or not but certainly a lot of the jokes wouldn't make the cut now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Its a brilliant show but it is of its time. The Inbetweeners came up with a couple of my colleagues recently who are early 20s and they'd never seen an episode. At first that appalled me because it had such cult status amongst me and my friends but then I thought a big part of that was because we were the same age as the characters when it came out.

I don't know if today's teenagers would find it as funny or not but certainly a lot of the jokes wouldn't make the cut now

Smallest boy LT loves it as does his pals - it has cult status among his peers

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some of the jokes are timeless though, and a lot of it was very visual. For example when one of them went round to a girls house for a date and he barfed over her little brother

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[user104658]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

some of the jokes are timeless though, and a lot of it was very visual. For example when one of them went round to a girls house for a date and he barfed over her little brother

Here's a mind-blowing factoid for you though; a lot of teens these days (middle class ones especially) don't drink, or at least, don't drink to excess.

I was baffled by this, when I was in my teens circa 2000 it was very unusual for anyone aged 15+ not to be drunk at some house party or other most weekends.

So... A lot of them actually wouldn't find Simon's drunken babysitting relatable at all and would think he was extremely weird for it.

[Swan]

Season 2 is by far my favourite out of the 3. The trip to Swanage, work experience, Duke of Edinburgh awards, the exams and Will sh!tting himself

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Pretending to cancel things that haven't been cancelled.

Tbh Slim
We all know alot of the jokes in 'The Inbetweeners ' would not be accepted today,the fact that comedians like Dave Chapelle & Ricky Gervais are getting complaints ...says it all .

I don't think there's anything wrong with stating facts , just like 'Little Britain' ( which I was never a fan of) would also not be allowed today.

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf a lot of popular Shows would either not get made today because of their content, or they would be made for a "modern audience" where in this particular case the Comedy wouldn't exist, and it'd be a Teen Drama instead.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Christmas Lights

Tbh Slim
We all know alot of the jokes in 'The Inbetweeners ' would not be accepted today,the fact that comedians like Dave Chapelle & Ricky Gervais are getting complaints ...says it all .

I don't think there's anything wrong with stating facts , just like 'Little Britain' ( which I was never a fan of) would also not be allowed today.

Ricky gervais and Dave chappelle have based their new acts around attacking the trans community, but neither of them have been cancelled, both are multi, multi, multi-millionaires, and both could phone any network or venue tomorrow and get a show right away.

You think racist comics would be allowed to do their acts without comment today? Or do you think homophobic comics shouldn't receive pushback? The obsession with a minority community trying to live their lives is just really bizarre, frankly.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Ricky gervais and Dave chappelle have based their new acts around attacking the trans community, but neither of them have been cancelled, both are multi, multi, multi-millionaires, and both could phone any network or venue tomorrow and get a show right away.

You think racist comics would be allowed to do their acts without comment today? Or do you think homophobic comics shouldn't receive pushback? The obsession with a minority community trying to live their lives is just really bizarre, frankly.

Do you actually know anything about Dave Chapelle ?? , he had a trans friend who he even dedicated his comedy show to . She committed suicide .....and shock horror guess which community contributed to her death ?? , A group of angry trans activists who send her a ton of hate . Yet these same people preach about peace & acceptance .

Chapelle & Gervais challenge things others are to scared to say , neither of them hate trans people. But they're fed up with how far left things have gotten ,I know Gervais especially highlighted that .

And Chapelle from what I heard asked his friend about her transition so he could try to understand why she felt that way , which is exactly what more is needed ... education is important & respectful discussions instead of name calling.

As for 'racist' or 'sexist' comics , if a comedian is just insulting people then no it's not funny. But people should actually watch things before they call everyone offensive . A joke has to either make sense or be witty & clever & even fun satire. Not just mean remarks .

Frankie Boyle made a grotesque joke about Katie Price's son Harvey,but it's interesting how he never faced reprocussions for it . So much double standards & hypocrisy as usual. And I've never found Boyle funny.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Christmas Lights

Do you actually know anything about Dave Chapelle ?? , he had a trans friend who he even dedicated his comedy show to . She committed suicide .....and shock horror guess which community contributed to her death ?? , A group of angry trans activists who send her a ton of hate . Yet these same people preach about peace & acceptance .

Chapelle & Gervais challenge things others are to scared to say , neither of them hate trans people. But they're fed up with how far left things have gotten ,I know Gervais especially highlighted that .

And Chapelle from what I heard asked his friend about her transition so he could try to understand why she felt that way , which is exactly what more is needed ... education is important & respectful discussions instead of name calling.

As for 'racist' or 'sexist' comics , if a comedian is just insulting people then no it's not funny. But people should actually watch things before they call everyone offensive . A joke has to either make sense or be witty & clever & even fun satire. Not just mean remarks .

Frankie Boyle made a grotesque joke about Katie Price's son Harvey,but it's interesting how he never faced reprocussions for it . So much double standards & hypocrisy as usual. And I've never found Boyle funny.

You start off by admitting it's just what you've heard and nothing that you've read or seen for yourself or that you've backed up with anything concrete? Do you understand the issue here?

Then you move to the trans community attacking a trans person causing them to commit suicide? I'm not sure there is a lot of sense in that statement. Not saying you're wrong, but I'd need to see the full facts, not the anti-trans slant.

So Frankie Boyle - the pretend leftist. Always around when there is a cause to promote but never an ally when a true leftist had the opportunity to be elected. Did you want him to face repercussions or not, because that kind of thing would make me think that the top tax rate for the top 1% should be lowered to allow their wealth to trickle down. Is that how it works again, I'm not sure?

Once again, goldheart, you are conflating things you don't like - trans people/anyone who shows them support, with the left. It's weird, wrong, but on brand for this crazy forum.

I liked Ricky Gervais' earlier work. The office is the greatest sitcom of all time in my view, but if you think standing on a stage going "woman, penis, woman, penis, woman, penis", is in anyway speaking truth to power (go and watch Carlin and Hicks then come back to me), or challenging, then you're simply wrong. I'm guessing it's more of a mumsnet routine than a work by perhaps the most influential comedian of his generation. James Acaster summed the new Gervais style of commentary up perfectly (and I'm no fan of his, either)

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You seriously think that it's brave to come out and mock the trans community, and that no one has the guts to do it? Mental.
.

He used to understand the differences between punching up or down, even when Brent used to stray into bigotry, he always made himself the butt of the joke, now he's fully invested in punching down. Good for him, he can make his money whichever way he chooses and absolutely none of my business. I just don't understand how some of the wealthiest and consistently performing artis in the last 20 years are being cancelled as they count another Ł50 million into their bank accounts

[Crimson Dynamo]

James Acaster isnt funny



he belongs in the same awful stable as Adam Hills, Romesh Ranganathan, Josh Widdicombe, Alex Brooker, Eddie Izard, Stuart whotshisface and Nish Kumar

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You start off by admitting it's just what you've heard and nothing that you've read or seen for yourself or that you've backed up with anything concrete? Do you understand the issue here?

Then you move to the trans community attacking a trans person causing them to commit suicide? I'm not sure there is a lot of sense in that statement. Not saying you're wrong, but I'd need to see the full facts, not the anti-trans slant.

So Frankie Boyle - the pretend leftist. Always around when there is a cause to promote but never an ally when a true leftist had the opportunity to be elected. Did you want him to face repercussions or not, because that kind of thing would make me think that the top tax rate for the top 1% should be lowered to allow their wealth to trickle down. Is that how it works again, I'm not sure?

Once again, goldheart, you are conflating things you don't like - trans people/anyone who shows them support, with the left. It's weird, wrong, but on brand for this crazy forum.

I liked Ricky Gervais' earlier work. The office is the greatest sitcom of all time in my view, but if you think standing on a stage going "woman, penis, woman, penis, woman, penis", is in anyway speaking truth to power (go and watch Carlin and Hicks then come back to me), or challenging, then you're simply wrong. I'm guessing it's more of a mumsnet routine than a work by perhaps the most influential comedian of his generation. James Acaster summed the new Gervais style of commentary up perfectly (and I'm no fan of his, either)

Youtube video

You seriously think that it's brave to come out and mock the trans community, and that no one has the guts to do it? Mental.
.

He used to understand the differences between punching up or down, even when Brent used to stray into bigotry, he always made himself the butt of the joke, now he's fully invested in punching down. Good for him, he can make his money whichever way he chooses and absolutely none of my business. I just don't understand how some of the wealthiest and consistently performing artis in the last 20 years are being cancelled as they count another Ł50 million into their bank accounts

Acaster literally shouted the same line over & over again to mock Gervais but wasn't actually funny himself . I'll never understand why Acaster is a comedian, he just comes across obnoxious and loud .

You can twist what I say all you like Slim . And as I said if you don't believe me about Chapelle's trans friend then do the research. She defended Chapelle and she got massive hate for it ,which led to her suicide.

The fact that we live in a world now where people like JK Rowling can't describe what a woman is without recieving abuse & hate , should be enough to tell you how crazy things have got with the
far left wing.

You talk about how wrong it is to belittle and pick on a certain community,but Boyle literally made a tasteless joke about Harvey Price ....a disabled child at the time ,so I don't see how anyone can stoop any lower than that . I know it wasn't recent but it still happened.

[Liam-]

Frankie got a bollocking all over the press and social media when he made that joke about Harvey, let’s not rewrite history to fit your narrative now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Frankie got a bollocking all over the press and social media when he made that joke about Harvey, let’s not rewrite history to fit your narrative now

id imagine it out many many thousands of quids in his sky rocket from show sales

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Christmas Lights

Acaster literally shouted the same line over & over again to mock Gervais but wasn't actually funny himself . I'll never understand why Acaster is a comedian, he just comes across obnoxious and loud .

You can twist what I say all you like Slim . And as I said if you don't believe me about Chapelle's trans friend then do the research. She defended Chapelle and she got massive hate for it ,which led to her suicide.

The fact that we live in a world now where people like JK Rowling can't describe what a woman is without recieving abuse & hate , should be enough to tell you how crazy things have got with the
far left wing.

You talk about how wrong it is to belittle and pick on a certain community,but Boyle literally made a tasteless joke about Harvey Price ....a disabled child at the time ,so I don't see how anyone can stoop any lower than that . I know it wasn't recent but it still happened.

You may have misread the boyle part - because it's pretty clear I'm no fan of his either, You can't on one hand cry that non-cancelled comedians have been cancelled, but then on the other cry that a different comedian wasn't cancelled 10/20 years ago? Which is it?

In fact, let me expand upon Boyle, and try and hold a mirror up to link it back to this forum. Did Boyle make a joke about Harvey, or did he use every TV appearance on every TV channel to bring up Harvey?

Lorraine: Good morning Frankie, so you've got a new stand up out at the moment?

FB - Forget that, Lorraine, what about Harvey?

Mock the week - Things you might say on an Aeroplane

FB - thank god I'm not sitting next to Harvey

Jonathan Ross - So Frankie, tell me about your book

FB - What about Jordans little'un?

That's the difference, any opportunity you get, regardless of the thread - DUN DUN DUN -TRANS PEOPLE. it's fcuking beyond weird.

Like I said, if someone has concerns or things they don't understand about the trans community - fair enough, I understand that, but if you're using every single stupid opportunity to bring them into every discussion, trawling mumsnet and facebook, looking for any old transphobic sh1t you can find, then at that point, you've gone well beyond any genuine concern or lack of understanding. That's the approach that white supremacist show towards non-whites, and the same approach that homophobic people take towards gay people. That's where you're at. I've steered away from this nonsense discussion, because to be honest, it fcuking depresses me that people I like and think are genuinely good people, are so blinded by this nonsense, that I just don't want to deal with it, but there just comes a point where enough is enough.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kevin the Carrot

James Acaster isnt funny



he belongs in the same awful stable as Adam Hills, Romesh Ranganathan, Josh Widdicombe, Alex Brooker, Eddie Izard, Stuart whotshisface and Nish Kumar

Taken from my post:

(and I'm no fan of his, either)

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Taken from my post:

While I'll agree that when a comedian focused on 1 or the same topic it can be tiresome & obsessive. I still don't think it was coming from a bad place with Chapelle & Gervais ,I really don't .

Amy Schumer's special was 99% sex jokes ,and non of them were comedic. But she wouldn't accept that she's just NOT FUNNY.

Yes some jokes are cringey & below the belt ,and I don't find everything Chapelle & Gervais does funny . However I still like some of their work .

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Taken from my post:

[user104658]

My honest thoughts on Chappelle and Gervais' specials... I think Chappelle has a lot to say in his and he does it well. I generally find that people take him too much at face value and miss the larger commentary being made. I don't agree with it word for word but I think it's a great piece of work.

Gervais' special I found lazy and low-hanging fruit. I don't think I admitted that at the time, maybe even to myself. Tribalism eh!

He has previous standup shows that are near-perfect which makes it especially glaring. It felt like an easy paycheque.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

My honest thoughts on Chappelle and Gervais' specials... I think Chappelle has a lot to say in his and he does it well. I generally find that people take him too much at face value and miss the larger commentary being made. I don't agree with it word for word but I think it's a great piece of work.

Gervais' special I found lazy and low-hanging fruit. I don't think I admitted that at the time, maybe even to myself. Tribalism eh!

He has previous standup shows that are near-perfect which makes it especially glaring. It felt like an easy paycheque.

Because the I'm a lady numptiescare what

Complex and hard to parody?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kevin the Carrot

Because the I'm a lady numptiescare what

Complex and hard to parody?

I don't understand what you're talking about... "low hanging fruit" would suggest literally the opposite.

For clarity on my position these days... I think a lot of the current trans zeitgeist is flippant about women's very real concerns and a travesty when it comes to child and adolescent mental health. And I think there's a very vocal and determined community that is deliberately putting up barriers to proper study of the various issues that is proving disastrous (for everyone).

But I also accept and recognise - to be blunt - that large part of the trans community are psychologically vulnerable and there are massive undercurrents of trauma and poor overall mental health. I think it's being handled terribly by health services and authorities, just as the associated practicalities are being handled very poorly and women's voices are often being ignored and demonised.

Given all of that - I think ther s a limit to how much parody seems reasonable in lieu of actual compassionate adult conversations about the issues.

Chappelle's felt largely like highlighting the issue, not in a way that everyone will like, but there was nuance to it. Ricky's felt too easy, lacked any new or insightful comment, and thus it felt like... Low hanging fruit. Populism.

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i think Chappelle's humour is much deeper than many of today's audience are capable of understanding. I'm sure the audience didn't used to be so thick

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by SantaslettertoMeghan

i think Chappelle's humour is much deeper than many of today's audience are capable of understanding. I'm sure the audience didn't used to be so thick

Also the people complaining about his comedy special,how many of them actually watched it ? .