[arista]

It is against their Church Laws.
Not in their Bible etc.



[The current position of the
Church of England is that marriage
is between a man and a woman.]


Scotland allows it.


Was on Debates today

[ChristmasNeeve]

Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?

Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?

Youtube video

They probably just view this person through a lense of biological reality, rather than anything else.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where do they stand on Bingo Alison then "the first non-binary Priest to be ordained in the COE" who is no longer a man but married to a woman? Would that not be classed as "gay marriage" now considering he's not a man anymore?

Youtube video

He is a man, married to a woman.

That is how they will see it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He is a man, married to a woman.

That is how they will see it.

Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?

To be fair, claiming to be "gender queer" only makes him look stupid. It's the kind of thing most people just say "lol kay" to and ignore. No-one takes it seriously enough to think it reflects on the Church's views toward gay marriage.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair, claiming to be "gender queer" only makes him look stupid. It's the kind of thing most people just say "lol kay" to and ignore. No-one takes it seriously enough to think it reflects on the Church's views toward gay marriage.

If he was keeping it low key maybe but he's been on This Morning with Holly & Phil Telling everyone how god loves variety

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Most likely but isn't he making them look a bit stupid though by claiming he's not a man but he's married to a woman when he's one of their representatives and they've just made a statement like they have?

Hes made himself and the church look stupid.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by parmnion

He is a man, married to a woman.

That is how they will see it.

Still a contradiction .... COE have got themselves in a mess. So that's probably another reason why some people want to push this to be accepted, because it doesn't make sense to people to have gay & trans priests & vicars ..but then be against gay marriage itself. COE tries to be liberal whilst pushing back. They don't know what balance to have anymore.

In Mosques & synagogues , I very much doubt we'd be hearing about many gay or trans imam's & rabbi's. People know where they stand and know it's practically unheard of with Judaism & Islam , not much confusion there ... whether people agree with it or not .

These places are very strict overall especially re: same sex marriage . And I don't think they'll be changing their minds any time soon ,or forced to either .

Like I said people know where they stand. Many will go to a registry office to get married etc ,you can virtually get married anywhere these days .

[bots]

the CoE are tying themselves in knots over it, it's quite funny from an outsiders perspective

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the CoE are tying themselves in knots over it, it's quite funny from an outsiders perspective

I don't think it's funny at all.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think it's funny at all.

you obviously take religion seriously, i don't

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you obviously take religion seriously, i don't

Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .

Yep I think you need to stick to the rules for everyone involved or change, they cant have it both ways ...no pun intended

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Like I said atleast people know where they stand with mosque's & Synagogues , they don't go back & forth on same sex marriage .And I have never seen a gay or trans imam, or a gay or trans rabbi . Not much contradiction or confusion with these strict religious establishments .

You might have.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

you obviously take religion seriously, i don't

I just think people have a right to religious freedom without being laughed at by people who don't have a faith. And those with no faith have a right to that too, without being ridiculed. It's unhelpful imo.

[Liam-]

A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all

Religions being anti-gay, anti-women, anti-reality isn't a new development Liam. I'm not "bothered" by it because I think organised religions are a joke tbh They don't even allow women to be Priests in the Catholic religion or Priests to marry at all. Catholicism is the biggest religion in Ireland, am I bothered by that? No, I think they're an out dated bunch of hypocrites that will die off in time (the religions and higher ups within the religion I mean not the followers)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all

It was debated today on TV and Radio
most people are against the COE

But some women callers
and African callers were strict on following
the COE Rule of no Gay Marriage.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all

It's not about randomly or spitefully pointing out that nonbinary is nonsense; one of their Priests is publicly talking about being married to a woman while being "not a man" in the very same month that the Church says they won't do gay marriages any more.

[Cherry Christmas]

I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision

Maybe they got word from the big man.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision

isn't the rule something like they can bless a gay marriage, but not actually do a marriage. They have tied themselves in knots though, it's obvious they don't know what to do without breaking up the church

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am very confused I thought they conducted gay marriage, and if they have accepted gay clergymen and women into the flock this is a very strange decision

I think Early in the years of this
was what they talked about


But Today it has been debated



Strict No Marriage CEO
for any Gays in England

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A religious body using their beliefs as a way to justify their bigotry? I am shocked, almost as shocked as it taking less than a page for this thread to turn into yet another non-binary/trans debate/trashing session, almost like this isn’t actually cared about at all

I'm just going to controversially come right out with this one...

Gay men are losing the allyship of women (which they've mostly had since the dawn of civil rights), because when it came to the crunch they showed absolutely no indication of being willing to return the favour or even to listen uncritically with compassion.

Lots of generalisation there but it is what it is. Gay men currently asking "why aren't cis women standing up for us" is an absolutely ludicrous question to ask.