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Old 20-01-2023, 12:41 PM #1
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Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .

Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind.
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Whoever was in charge of the weapon is guilty,but Baldwin should have also checked it. I will never understand why in this day & age ...when health & safety is meant to be the priority ,that live ammunition was ACTUALLY USED when it's supposed to be a prop .

Have production teams learnt nothing from previous disasters & deaths ... Brandon Lee being the one that really sticks in my mind.
Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?


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I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



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Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.
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Because wasn't Baldwin producing the film aswell , He wasn't just acting was he ?. He's been in the business a long time aswell. But like I said.... especially the person dealing with the gun ,but everyone on set should have done safety checks.
I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.
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I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.
This is what i meant , obviously i don't mean literally everyone ...as like you say it would have to be people who know how to handle a gun. I guess with it being America aswell... chances are more people over there have more of an understanding and experience with guns than over here.

Someone has sadly lost their life over such tragic stupid negligence, and the people involved have to be held accountable .

And as i keep saying ... why were they even using REAL BULLETS to start with. They can do so much with technology/CGI and props today, without putting themselves and people around them in real danger and jeopardy. It just doesn't make sense to me... on the choices for this film.
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Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?


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Baldwin should have checked first because firearms are dangerous and he was the one who pulled the trigger and killed someone. I don't believe it "just went off".

Anyone who picks up a gun has a responsibility to check it. If you go to a gun range and take out a gun to fire that you know is empty, you still check it.

When Brandon Lee was shot on Crow they wanted the revolver to look like it was loaded with real bullets so for safety sake they removed the powder from each leaving just the empty cartridge and the bullet giving the appearance at close-up of a gun loaded with live rounds. At some point someone pulled the trigger and there was just enough gunpowder in the cartridge to move the bullet up into the barrel. Later the armourer emptied the gun into a bucket and didn't check it. Consequently when it was loaded with a blank, that had enough power to shoot the bullet that had lodged in the barrel and it killed someone. All for the want of people checking and treating firearms with respect.

We don't know the whole story with the Baldwin case but you can bet that there was several missed opportunities to spot the mistake if only people had taken a couple of seconds to check.
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