[Liam-]

A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it

Women aren't exactly the enemy of gay men. All over the world, the religion heads, all of the laws against gay marriage, and homosexuality as a whole are created, enforced and dictated by men.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

A lot of generalisations there, a long way of saying some women are happy for bigotry to occur because a minority of gay men have problems with women, not exactly a shining endorsement of women is it

It is a generalisation but this is a realm of generalisations; it's likewise unfair for gay men to have a problem with all women who have concerns about women's rights relating to trans issues because of a minority of those women who are genuinely hateful - who I don't think anyone can reasonably pretend don't exist.

But it's 2023 and here we are. Allyship isn't about individual relationships and whether or not people on an individual level like each other... it's about going to bat for that team, and if it isn't there (in general), it isn't going to be reciprocated (in general).

It's not out of anything more exciting than apathy.

I'm not even saying that gay men had to go to war for women when they had concern, but the right answer to "We have some concerns about this..." wasn't "Tough **** TERF!" and that's what (in general) came back. Or silence. So the result is silence.

I don't think it's a good thing I think it's utterly tragic, and the winners in the end are going to be the big ol' puffy faced blokes, as usual.

[Cherry Christmas]

What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling

I would say that I don't understand any gay person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian ... but it's a bit of a moot point because I don't understand any person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian .

Or really just any person with common sense choosing to be anything other than atheist-agnostic but that's a whole other debate .

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I would say that I don't understand any gay person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian ... but it's a bit of a moot point because I don't understand any person who has read any of the bible choosing to be a Christian .

Or really just any person with common sense choosing to be anything other than atheist-agnostic but that's a whole other debate .

Well I would consider myself a Christian but just for the nice bits...not been to Mass in years

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What I never understand about the original issue leaving aside the issue of gay clergy people is if a gay couple are in the faith they would understand the teachings and accept it, and if they are not why would they want to be married in the Church its like me wanting to get married in a Synagogue even though I am not part of that faith....there are so many places people can get married why do they get so hung up about getting married in a Church ....mind boggling

This is what I don't understand either ,why would you want to get married in a place that doesn't want to marry you. Why force it especially when they know the religion is against it ??.

Exactly there's so many different places to get married now .

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is what I don't understand either ,why would you want to get married in a place that doesn't want to marry you. Why force it especially when they know the religion is against it ??.

Exactly there's so many different places to get married now .

No idea ....its just bizarre to me, a wedding day is so special why would you want to mar it by getting married in a place that will never accept your union ...