[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I don't know about everyone on set - not everyone will even be cleared to handle them at all let alone start fiddling with them or inspecting them... And even if they were, it's not a very good idea to start "checking" guns if you don't know how to handle them, that's how MOST firearms accidents happen.

But yes everyone involved in handling the gun in any way should have checked it including Baldwin, and those in charge of the production had a responsibility to make sure everything was being done with the right procedures.

This is what i meant , obviously i don't mean literally everyone ...as like you say it would have to be people who know how to handle a gun. I guess with it being America aswell... chances are more people over there have more of an understanding and experience with guns than over here.

Someone has sadly lost their life over such tragic stupid negligence, and the people involved have to be held accountable .

And as i keep saying ... why were they even using REAL BULLETS to start with. They can do so much with technology/CGI and props today, without putting themselves and people around them in real danger and jeopardy. It just doesn't make sense to me... on the choices for this film.

[Alf]

Not sure if there's any truth in it or not, but apparently the lady who was shot was about to drop some information on Hilary Clinton.

There was a tweet from her, which I did see that confirms that. Whether that tweet was a real tweet or fake I don't know.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

Not sure if there's any truth in it or not, but apparently the lady who was shot was about to drop some information on Hilary Clinton.

There was a tweet from her, which I did see that confirms that. Whether that tweet was a real tweet or fake I don't know.

Sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory Alf


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

not really, he was the films producer and ultimately responsible for those employed on the set and their safety. The fact he also fired the weapon is just an added complication

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory Alf


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That's what I'm here for.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

Tbf couldn't it be possible that someone else meant to do harm on set?

I mean tbf it could also be Baldwin having a vendetta against the victim, but the other option could be someone is setting him up.

If there is any malice involved.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf couldn't it be possible that someone else meant to do harm on set?

I mean tbf it could also be Baldwin having a vendetta against the victim, but the other option could be someone is setting him up.

If there is any malice involved.

after investigation, the police have said Baldwin and the girl are responsible for the womans death, and thats why they will be charged and sent to court. They obviously think there is enough evidence to convict them or it wouldnt go to trial

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Baldwin should have checked it over ?

I don’t recall Virgil Tracy giving the Thunderbird 2 undercarriage a quick once over before jetting off ..



But seriously, why should Baldwin be expected to check the gun first ?


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Baldwin should have checked first because firearms are dangerous and he was the one who pulled the trigger and killed someone. I don't believe it "just went off".

Anyone who picks up a gun has a responsibility to check it. If you go to a gun range and take out a gun to fire that you know is empty, you still check it.

When Brandon Lee was shot on Crow they wanted the revolver to look like it was loaded with real bullets so for safety sake they removed the powder from each leaving just the empty cartridge and the bullet giving the appearance at close-up of a gun loaded with live rounds. At some point someone pulled the trigger and there was just enough gunpowder in the cartridge to move the bullet up into the barrel. Later the armourer emptied the gun into a bucket and didn't check it. Consequently when it was loaded with a blank, that had enough power to shoot the bullet that had lodged in the barrel and it killed someone. All for the want of people checking and treating firearms with respect.

We don't know the whole story with the Baldwin case but you can bet that there was several missed opportunities to spot the mistake if only people had taken a couple of seconds to check.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But it doesn't seem like he deliberately set out to harm her, or anyone else on set.

That's why he's been charged with involuntary manslaughter and not murder.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When ever a live round gets in to a prop, i would say there must be a deliberate action involved. People are saying things like .... he didn't deliberately do it, because of the actors name and nothing else

Some movies that want to be "authentic" and rely on practical effects use live rounds to shoot objects in one scene, then swap to blanks with the same prop gun for another scene where people will be in the line of fire. So basically (assuming accident) either someone left a live round in the gun from a previous take, or someone messed up when they were loading it for that take and loaded the wrong rounds.

To reiterate again I think in a time of cheap, effective CGI there's no real reason to have live rounds anywhere near a film set - you can get close enough with post processing effects. TV shows for example will unlikely ever be using live rounds, and people just don't notice.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Some movies that want to be "authentic" and rely on practical effects use live rounds to shoot objects in one scene, then swap to blanks with the same prop gun for another scene where people will be in the line of fire. So basically (assuming accident) either someone left a live round in the gun from a previous take, or someone messed up when they were loading it for that take and loaded the wrong rounds.

To reiterate again I think in a time of cheap, effective CGI there's no real reason to have live rounds anywhere near a film set - you can get close enough with post processing effects. TV shows for example will unlikely ever be using live rounds, and people just don't notice.

You don't get the same muzzle-flash from blanks. You can mock it up with a blank flash... but it doesn't look the same. Sometimes they use live rounds for authenticity... but knowing that, you'd think it'd make it more important for everyone to check. There are so many laws surrounding guns on set, look at all the shoot-em-up films that get made without anyone being shot.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You don't get the same muzzle-flash from blanks. You can mock it up with a blank flash... but it doesn't look the same. Sometimes they use live rounds for authenticity... but knowing that, you'd think it'd make it more important for everyone to check. There are so many laws surrounding guns on set, look at all the shoot-em-up films that get made without anyone being shot.

CGI is good enough to get the effect now, but it's obviously more expensive than just firing the gun for real. Plus some directors are probably "purists" for the art. But IMO 99% of the audience won't notice.

[arista]

[Alec Baldwin to resume filming Rust - 18 months
after the movie's cinematographer was shot dead

The filming will take place amid ongoing
legal battles, and there are still at least five civil cases
against Baldwin and the producers of Rust.
He has also been charged with involuntary manslaughter,
which carries a maximum 18-month prison sentence.]

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-bald...-dead-12861493

[arista]

[Alec Baldwin: All criminal charges against actor
over fatal shooting on Rust set are dropped]

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-bald...opped-12862134

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[Alec Baldwin: All criminal charges against actor
over fatal shooting on Rust set are dropped]

https://news.sky.com/story/alec-bald...opped-12862134

This isn't a surprise.

[arista]

From CNN HD USA Live on UK TV

Alec Baldwin
had to have Police Protection
as he walked to a Teaching/Acting Session.

He was mobbed by Pro Palestine Protestors
in Manhattan








https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-blocked.html

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf to him, I don't believe either side of the Israel vs Palestine debate should be harassing someone over the topic when Alec Baldwin's job has absolutely nothing to do with Israel vs Palestine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf to him, I don't believe either side of the Israel vs Palestine debate should be harassing someone over the topic when Alec Baldwin's job has absolutely nothing to do with Israel vs Palestine.

He was not aware of the Massive Demo,
he was walking to his Teaching Acting session.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

He was not aware of the Massive Demo,
he was walking to his Teaching Acting session.

Exactly.

So why is someone bothering him during that time? Especially given that Alec Baldwin isn't even a Politician.

[arista]

Easy Target

[arista]

He has now been Charged with involuntary manslaughter

Faces Court

[arista]

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rand-jury.html

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Easy Target

I said from the start that he was the guilty party and needs to be sentenced for his crime.

It's only his Hollywood celebrity status that has seen him get away with a crime that a normal person would already be in prison for.

Thank God for Trump for making the little people equal to the elites again.