[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Zizu

So apparently if there were a general election tomorrow .. it would very close with the Tories still slightly ahead .. even after all their failures and scandals.

Given that the current government and the current state of the country can’t possibly get any worse ( plus Covid isn’t even regarded as a minor threat ) then kinda it suggests that the Tories will win the next general election.


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Literally every projection currently shows Labour being 20 odd seats short of an overall majority, where are you getting that information from?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Literally every projection currently shows Labour being 20 odd seats short of an overall majority, where are you getting that information from?

Sky News talked about some projections


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[arista]

Ch4HDnews
Change in Councils

199 of 230 councils declared

Conservative - 41
Labour +19
LibDem +9
Green +1

[Liam-]

Over 1000 seats lost

[The Slim Reaper]

Young people know what's up.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Young people know what's up.

dont ask kids serious questions as you get stupid answers

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Young people know what's up.

They have Burnham in third/fourth place. That guy brings shame on Evertonian's.

The youngsters don't even know who Chuck Berry was or how many genders there are and I bet none of them have seen a Laurel and Hardy film.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

They have Burnham in third/fourth place. That guy brings shame on Evertonian's.

The youngsters don't even know who Chuck Berry was or how many genders there are and I bet none of them have seen a Laurel and Hardy film.

I generally don't judge people's perception on politics based on their knowledge of media older than their grandparents.

(though agreed on the gender BS)

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I generally don't judge people's perception on politics based on their knowledge of media older than their grandparents.

(though agreed on the gender BS)

Tell me you don't know who Chuck Berry is or that you've never watched a Laurel and Hardy film without telling me you don't know who Chuck Berry is and have never watched a Laural and Hardy film

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Over 1000 seats lost

if they dont realise that is a resounding verdict on their utter omnishambles of government than im not sure what will?

[arista]

[Christmas Dynasnow]

If Sunak had come out and said "yes we have fckd up but we will accept that and try better" he would have been lauded

to come out pretending his 5 failed pledges have any relevance is a disgrace

[arista]

[Alf]

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

History came easy, I loved history. The youngsters today seem to detest it. They see themselves superior to the teenage boys that sacrificed their lives so that these ungrateful buggers can have freedom that they'd happily give away to tyrants just so they can look virtuous.

They couldn't care less who Chuck Berry is or who Laurel and Hardy is. Because that's their attitude.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Alf

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

History came easy, I loved history. The youngsters today seem to detest it. They see themselves superior to the teenage boys that sacrificed their lives so that these ungrateful buggers can have freedom that they'd happily give away to tyrants just so they can look virtuous.

They couldn't care less who Chuck Berry is or who Laurel and Hardy is.

I grew up watching Laurel and Hardy and Harold Llyod

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I grew up watching Laurel and Hardy and Harold Llyod

Good lad, they paved the way for the comedy that we all enjoyed since.

You don't need to watch them if you don't want, but be aware of who they are and what they did.

Like Chuck Berry, he influenced the music in the second half of the 20th century more than anyone. He was the poet and probably the sound of rock n roll. He influenced the British invasion of The Beatles and The Stones ect and they influenced the next.

These youngsters these days think they know it all. Is all they know is how to say "I'm anti-facist" "I love dogs and cats" "I'm protecting the environment"

It's all about them taking the praise and giving nothing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

The thing is Oliver. Chuck Berry was at his peak 20 years before I was born and Laurel and Hardy was in their prime 40/50 years before I was born. But I still grew up with them.

Blondie, Queen, Guns N Roses, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Monty Python, and Carry On all pre-dated me by various amounts of time, and I grew up with all of them

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Blondie, Queen, Guns N Roses, Fawlty Towers, Blackadder, Monty Python, and Carry On all pre-dated me by various amounts of time, and I grew up with all of them

And that's why you're a good lad, who isn't sucked in to the bullish!t.

[joeysteele]

A nightmare for the Cons.

Labour needs to do a bit more but I'd settle for a hung parliament with them as largest Party.

Surprised the Lib Dems have done as well as they have.

Well done to the Green party too.

Really interesting night and then day today.
Now I'll get some sleep tonight.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A nightmare for the Cons.

Labour needs to do a bit more but I'd settle for a hung parliament with them as largest Party.

Surprised the Lib Dems have done as well as they have.

Well done to the Green party too.

Really interesting night and then day today.
Now I'll get some sleep tonight.

[arista]

[arista]

"I'd settle for a hung parliament "


I won't Joey
Call another General Election is better

The next week after the Mess up.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

The worst thing about the next election

After the results from Thursday, every commentator will say that Labour are
certain to win the next general election. But they’re wrong. Labour aren’t
going to win.

The Tories are going to lose.

This is a crucial distinction. Most voters are plainly motivated by grim
disillusionment with the Government – not delirious enthusiasm for Labour’s
policies, whatever they may be. By the election, the Tories will have been in
power for 14 years. More than enough for all but their most loyal supporters
to have grown heartily sick of them. So, as it tends to do in such
circumstances, the country will sigh, and give the sole available alternative a
whirl.

That, though, is not how pro-Labour pundits and celebrities will view it.
Instead, they’ll treat the result as an endorsement not only of Labour, but of
their own personal worldview.

“See!” they’ll crow. “This shows that the Tories got the British people
completely wrong, with their hateful Right-wing culture wars. Clearly the
public actually LOVE small boats. And puberty blockers, and the EU, and
reparations for slavery, and teaching primary school children about dildos.
The Tories are so out of touch…”

For Conservatives, this is going to be the worst thing about the next general
election. Not the result. But the gloating afterwards.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnis...-laws-ireland/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The worst thing about the next election

After the results from Thursday, every commentator will say that Labour are
certain to win the next general election. But they’re wrong. Labour aren’t
going to win.

The Tories are going to lose.

This is a crucial distinction. Most voters are plainly motivated by grim
disillusionment with the Government – not delirious enthusiasm for Labour’s
policies, whatever they may be. By the election, the Tories will have been in
power for 14 years. More than enough for all but their most loyal supporters
to have grown heartily sick of them. So, as it tends to do in such
circumstances, the country will sigh, and give the sole available alternative a
whirl.

That, though, is not how pro-Labour pundits and celebrities will view it.
Instead, they’ll treat the result as an endorsement not only of Labour, but of
their own personal worldview.

“See!” they’ll crow. “This shows that the Tories got the British people
completely wrong, with their hateful Right-wing culture wars. Clearly the
public actually LOVE small boats. And puberty blockers, and the EU, and
reparations for slavery, and teaching primary school children about dildos.
The Tories are so out of touch…”

For Conservatives, this is going to be the worst thing about the next general
election. Not the result. But the gloating afterwards.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnis...-laws-ireland/

UK elections have been fought and won/lost on negative terms since before I was born. Which election has been about giddy enthusiasm for the side that gets in? It's always either a "better the devil you know" (sitting govt stays in power) or a "anything is better than this" (change of govt.). Who is voting on the basis that what's being offered sounds good??

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

UK elections have been fought and won/lost on negative terms since before I was born. Which election has been about giddy enthusiasm for the side that gets in? It's always either a "better the devil you know" (sitting govt stays in power) or a "anything is better than this" (change of govt.). Who is voting on the basis that what's being offered sounds good??

Corbyn tried it and everyone said he was living in fantasy land