[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In younger people there are far more female-to-male trans people than there are male-to-female, so this argument falls completely on its face immediately.

And your grasp of the term "toxic masculinity" is as poor as your grasp of the word incel.

Toxic masculinity doesn't mean "masculinity is toxic", it means "there's a TYPE of masulinity that's toxic to both men and women".

We've discussed this loads of times on here though and you're still sticking with the idea that it means "all masculinity is toxic", so you either just don't want to hear it, or it gets washed right back out by all of the sad "men's rights activism" youtube videos.

Do you see the Women's rights activism as "sad?" I don't see it as that, maybe I sometimes see them as wrong in my opinion, but not "sad" Just the same way I don't see the men's rights activism as "sad" unlike you do. As you let us know here.

Even though you know I don't truly believe you're a misandrist, hopefully you can see why I have to keep saying you are to point that out to you?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you see the Women's rights activism as "sad?" I don't see it as that, maybe I sometimes see them as wrong in my opinion, but not "sad" Just the same way I don't see the men's rights activism as "sad" unlike you do. As you let us know here.

Even though you know I don't truly believe you're a misandrist, hopefully you can see why I have to keep saying you are to point that out to you?

To be a misandrist I'd have to dislike them because they're men - but I dislike these specific people because they're such sad, whiney, pathetic, terminally lonely little characters who when it comes down to it are only moaning about the fact that they seem not to know how to interact with human beings other than other whiney blokes in the same position as them... So they're caught in an endless cycle of feeling sorry for themselves, and seeking to "take their power back!" by listening to these YouTube rants and drooling over Andrew Tate.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be a misandrist I'd have to dislike them because they're men - but I dislike these specific people because they're such sad, whiney, pathetic, terminally lonely little characters who when it comes down to it are only moaning about the fact that they seem not to know how to interact with human beings other than other whiney blokes in the same position as them... So they're caught in an endless cycle of feeling sorry for themselves, and seeking to "take their power back!" by listening to these YouTube rants and drooling over Andrew Tate.

Don't take them so seriously and let them make you angry, they're just actors.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't take them so seriously and let them make you angry, they're just actors.

The men using MRA rhetoric to gain access to their ex wives who they've abused and children who are terrified of them are certainly not "actors" Alf. Try to remember that there's a real world with real consequences outside of sad blokes crying all over YouTube and forums because someone said something that hurt their feelings.