[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think you can call billionaire Andrew Tate a grifter, he has 10 supercars and 3 girlfriends

And NIgel has a lovely house in Kent

so that has back fired for you

Andrew Tate's not a billionaire, nowhere near, and Nigel's the biggest grifter of them all, again, not a billionaire.

It's embarrassing how you're gargling on their ballsacks, and for what? You'll never have what they have... Well, not that the sex trafficker has much now, but still. It's weird how you're bigging up a sex trafficker though, your kind are usually all about making out that LGBT folks are groomers and abusers and you're gassing up an actual sex trafficker. Bit weird, that.

Blowing the rich will not make you rich, you can deepthroat (not that you'll have to with many of these people, SDE all around) every milquetoast right wing grifter around, you're just being a sad little drone throwing money at someone who sees you as an easy mark.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nope. I'm not right wing. I'm not left wing either, even calling myself "centrist" would be too much conviction

But I'm not cosying up to anyone.

I've known so many people like you, and it's always the same, you act above it all like you aren't part of any side but in truth, you'll always take a specific side, you will always support the right wing while pretending you aren't. You're pretending you aren't one side of the other because you think it makes you look wise and smart, but it just shows a lack of awareness on your part, a lack of awareness that everyone can see.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

I've known so many people like you, and it's always the same, you act above it all like you aren't part of any side but in truth, you'll always take a specific side, you will always support the right wing while pretending you aren't. You're pretending you aren't one side of the other because you think it makes you look wise and smart, but it just shows a lack of awareness on your part, a lack of awareness that everyone can see.

I'm not the one who constantly presumes to know what others are thinking.

I don't act like or think I'm anything, thanks. Making fun of the way you continuously use stock phrases isn't siding with the left or right.

If anything my posts have skewed to the left.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not the one who constantly presumes to know what others are thinking.

I don't act like or think I'm anything, thanks. Making fun of the way you continuously use stock phrases isn't siding with the left or right.

If anything my posts have skewed to the left.

I'm not presuming what you are thinking, I've just known enough people like you to know how you tick and I've rarely been proven wrong yet in that regard. There's no such thing as actual centrism or not choosing one side or the other because to not choose is to accept the current status quo, which puts you on one side, it's just you don't want to admit it.

I'm not using stock phrases, I'm just pointing out truths that you dislike because ultimately it goes against your true alignment. Pointing out how much this country loves being pissed on by Rupert Murdoch is just a pathetic truth of the people, not a stock phrase.

Saying you skew to the left doesn't mean much if you always stand with the right.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Saying you skew to the left doesn't mean much if you always stand with the right.

I don't though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

I'm not presuming what you are thinking, I've just known enough people like you to know how you tick and I've rarely been proven wrong yet in that regard. There's no such thing as actual centrism or not choosing one side or the other because to not choose is to accept the current status quo, which puts you on one side, it's just you don't want to admit it.

I'm not using stock phrases, I'm just pointing out truths that you dislike because ultimately it goes against your true alignment. Pointing out how much this country loves being pissed on by Rupert Murdoch is just a pathetic truth of the people, not a stock phrase.

Saying you skew to the left doesn't mean much if you always stand with the right.

I think this is a misunderstanding of avoiding political polarity though - it's not about walking a central tightrope on every issue it's about trying to look at each issue individually rather than where the "expected position" falls on the tribal political spectrum.

You've said the same about me plenty of times (secretly aligning with the right and trying to cover it) when it doesn't really flesh out in practice - I quite openly and clearly lean towards the "standard folks on the left" position on pretty much every topic other than gender ideology/identity politics. My stance on those things isn't informed by the right-leaning media whatsoever and is based mostly in the psychology and sociology of gender norms as a whole (and why they're BS). But having that stance on gender (apparently) makes me some sort of hateful right-wing shill who has been taken in by the lies and slander of the MSM ... even though my stance on basically every other social and economic topic skews slightly left. This idea that there needs to be a homogeny of opinion on every topic "or else" one is immediately lumped into the opposing group is just daft. Case in point really; there are, conversely, DEFINITELY some on this forum who have me categorised as a hand-wringing soft lefty liberal.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think this is a misunderstanding of avoiding political polarity though - it's not about walking a central tightrope on every issue it's about trying to look at each issue individually rather than where the "expected position" falls on the tribal political spectrum.

You've said the same about me plenty of times (secretly aligning with the right and trying to cover it) when it doesn't really flesh out in practice - I quite openly and clearly lean towards the "standard folks on the left" position on pretty much every topic other than gender ideology/identity politics. My stance on those things isn't informed by the right-leaning media whatsoever and is based mostly in the psychology and sociology of gender norms as a whole (and why they're BS). But having that stance on gender (apparently) makes me some sort of hateful right-wing shill who has been taken in by the lies and slander of the MSM ... even though my stance on basically every other social and economic topic skews slightly left. This idea that there needs to be a homogeny of opinion on every topic "or else" one is immediately lumped into the opposing group is just daft. Case in point really; there are, conversely, DEFINITELY some on this forum who have me categorised as a hand-wringing soft lefty liberal.

Well, that's a fine load of whiney bull**** with a whole lot of mental gymnastics to paint yourself as a victim and some sort of enlightened thinker when you're nothing of the sort. It's just the same kind of bull**** with all centrists really. It's all about their own self-image and making themselves look good above all else.

As I said in the past, I'd rather just skip the pageantry and get to the point where centrists drop their masks.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Well, that's a fine load of whiney bull**** with a whole lot of mental gymnastics to paint yourself as a victim and some sort of enlightened thinker when you're nothing of the sort. It's just the same kind of bull**** with all centrists really. It's all about their own self-image and making themselves look good above all else.

As I said in the past, I'd rather just skip the pageantry and get to the point where centrists drop their masks.

If the point needed proving any further, there it is .

I could equally say that tribally-focussed culture warriors are more concerned with image -- not self image, but their image in the eyes of the collective they've chosen to align with, and so they'' (ironically, given the left's current focus on individualism) forego anything resembling original thought in favour of toeing the palatable prescribed rhetoric of their peers.

If I was "just concerned with looking good" I would slap on the blinkers and dogmatically repeat the same social justice rhetoric as everyone else instead of pointing out where I find it inaccurate and think it falls flat. I'm all for people disagreeing with that if they can do it with any sort of backing and not just an angry screech. It highlights the glaring lack of any real viable counter-point. "I know why you're wrong but I can't be bothered to evidence that, bigot!". You'd paint yourself as part of the solution with that stance ... or maybe not, maybe just go with the "Pfft, I am too jaded to concern myself with thoughts of solutions, I'm happy just making the bigots uncomfortable " ... and then accuse OTHERS of self-aggrandising pageantry for trying to have an actual discussion? Really an unfathomable lack of self awareness.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

If the point needed proving any further, there it is .

I could equally say that tribally-focussed culture warriors are more concerned with image -- not self image, but their image in the eyes of the collective they've chosen to align with, and so they'' (ironically, given the left's current focus on individualism) forego anything resembling original thought in favour of toeing the palatable prescribed rhetoric of their peers.

If I was "just concerned with looking good" I would slap on the blinkers and dogmatically repeat the same social justice rhetoric as everyone else instead of pointing out where I find it inaccurate and think it falls flat. I'm all for people disagreeing with that if they can do it with any sort of backing and not just an angry screech. It highlights the glaring lack of any real viable counter-point. "I know why you're wrong but I can't be bothered to evidence that, bigot!". You'd paint yourself as part of the solution with that stance ... or maybe not, maybe just go with the "Pfft, I am too jaded to concern myself with thoughts of solutions, I'm happy just making the bigots uncomfortable " ... and then accuse OTHERS of self-aggrandising pageantry for trying to have an actual discussion? Really an unfathomable lack of self awareness.

More bull**** prompted by the fact you're hurt that I'm not wowed by your shallow centrism.

Trying to make out that I'm tribalistic and lack self awareness is ultimately an own goal on your part. You have to keep making out that 'both sides' are beneath you to inflate your ego when in truth you identify with one side more than the other but it's all about your self-image so you delude yourself about your views to try to seem like you're operating from a neutral perspective when you aren't.

At the end of the day, I know bull**** when I see it, and centrists reek of it, and they always have. It's all about them trying to impress people with a level of intellect that isn't there. Centrists are just people suffering with delusions of grandeur and main character syndrome.

And transphobia is bigotry, if I was to take what you wrote before about gender and changed the words to equal terms representing race, you would be seen as a racist, what makes you think that it's not bigotry to approach gender in a similar fashion? Ego, that's what.

You're also engaging in more pageantry for the right wing side by making out that any opposition to transphobia is somehow not valid and is just pageantry in itself. Because any views that oppose yours can't be valid, right? Really an unfathomable lack of self awareness.