[Niamh.]

Also I read that Irish people should be offended by her using the name Seamus Finnigan, no idea why unless you think naming an Irish character with a common Irish name is offensive. It isn't.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also I read that Irish people should be offended by her using the name Seamus Finegan, no idea why unless you think naming an Irish character with a common Irish name is offensive. It isn't.

This is how stupid it's become now ,I hadn't actually heard about the Irish name wow .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is how stupid it's become now ,I hadn't actually heard about the Irish name wow .

Also apparently because he blows stuff up regularly when doing spells, she's doing the Irish IRA trope.... ffs

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also apparently because he blows stuff up regularly when doing spells, she's doing the Irish IRA trope.... ffs

people need serious help for their minds to even go there in the first place, there's something wrong with them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They're goblin characters in a bank in a fantasy fictional world,there was nothing offensive about them. And keep getting personal that's fine with those blinkers firmly on your head ,and cloth covering your ears.

If you think it's ok to call JK Rowling a "Nazi" just because ...... then that's on you. Loads of people have all the freedom of speech when they send her hate and all jumped on the bandwagon in their cult fashion. Clapping like a seal is exactly what all these people are doing. So you're just projecting your own behaviour there.

If this person truly believed JK Rowling was a 'nazi' then why did he immediately backpedal like a pathetic weasel. If all the evidence is there that JK Rowling is this 'horrible antisemitic person ' , then surely a threat of a lawsuit wouldn't matter to him ? . To me it showed he had nothing to back up his accusations so he scurried away like a scared little pest .

If JK Rowling is so dangerous then why has her franchise blocked her ,and trying to erase her ?. Twitter was flooded with the most vulgar comments towards her , funny how non of them were scared of her .

The only person in this topic calling her a nazi is literally you and you're huffing on your own fumes getting increasingly mad about it.

There are jewish people who take issue with how the goblins are presented. There's been a lot of discussion on it and you are losing your **** over it in a way that comes across as deranged. Would you be saying the same if her views didn't make you feel like they validated your own? I don't think you would.

Most of this post is just your typical 'no, u' projection that I've come to expect from the likes of you.

Also you have no idea what freedom of speech is and what it entails and it shows.

'WHY DID HE BACKPEDAL?!?!!'

Okay, i'm going to put this in as simple terms as possible so that even you can understand.

Guy makes a tweet criticising JK's actions. JK's feelings are hurt by being criticised and so she throws her wealth and lawyers about to force an apology for something that ultimately is no different to what many articles say about her. The guy, who I believe was a teenager, is facing financial ruin for criticising a billionaire and is made to backpedal. Clapping seals like yourself cheer on your bully in charge, making out that JK terrorising people with wealth and the law to shield herself from just criticism is a good thing.

Get some self respect.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"Google it, I'm not here to educate you."

If you want to cover your eyes and make out that something doesn't exist because you can't see it, do so. Your main character syndrome doesn't matter to anyone else but you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

people need serious help for their minds to even go there in the first place, there's something wrong with them.

JK Rowling must be to terfs, what Elon Musk is to incels. They're both weirdly protective over their beloved billionaires.

[Livia]

Women don't have cocks. End of discussion.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

The only person in this topic calling her a nazi is literally you and you're huffing on your own fumes getting increasingly mad about it.

There are jewish people who take issue with how the goblins are presented. There's been a lot of discussion on it and you are losing your **** over it in a way that comes across as deranged. Would you be saying the same if her views didn't make you feel like they validated your own? I don't think you would.

Most of this post is just your typical 'no, u' projection that I've come to expect from the likes of you.

Also you have no idea what freedom of speech is and what it entails and it shows.

'WHY DID HE BACKPEDAL?!?!!'

Okay, i'm going to put this in as simple terms as possible so that even you can understand.

Guy makes a tweet criticising JK's actions. JK's feelings are hurt by being criticised and so she throws her wealth and lawyers about to force an apology for something that ultimately is no different to what many articles say about her. The guy, who I believe was a teenager, is facing financial ruin for criticising a billionaire and is made to backpedal. Clapping seals like yourself cheer on your bully in charge, making out that JK terrorising people with wealth and the law to shield herself from just criticism is a good thing.

Get some self respect.

Lol You know full well the guy called her a nazi, so why are you now trying to make out i'm the one calling JK Rowling a nazi ??. I'm quoting what he said and you know that you silly sausage.

Why are people taking issue with how the goblins are presented? , what have the goblins got to do with Jewish people?. you can say they take offence till you're blue in the face. But i'm still not getting a clear answer to how fictional characters are offensive to a community of people?.It just seems like another way to cancel JK Rowling . And if anything it's just reinforcing negative stereotypes , the very same stereotypes that people are complaining about which makes no sense.

If he can't handle Rowling retaliating then maybe he shouldn't be on twitter doing what he's doing, he clearly wanted a reaction and he cried when it wasn't the reaction he expected . Maybe he should go back to the school playground and leave the adults to it , as he's clearly too childish. But i'm sure he'll cheer up when he knows he has some supporters who validate his nonsense.

"simple terms" , of course we can't all be as bright and stunning and clever as you . What would we all do on TIBB without your knowledge and bravery. Us mere peasants don't understand anything, you're perfect you have no faults and you never do anything wrong, you never make mistakes Mr saint with a halo . We must bow down and accept any name you give us from "bigot" to "terf" to "cis". You know best !. Enjoy your hill .

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Lol You know full well the guy called her a nazi, so why are you now trying to make out i'm the one calling JK Rowling a nazi ??. I'm quoting what he said and you know that you silly sausage.

Why are people taking issue with how the goblins are presented? , what have the goblins got to do with Jewish people?. you can say they take offence till you're blue in the face. But i'm still not getting a clear answer to how fictional characters are offensive to a community of people?.It just seems like another way to cancel JK Rowling . And if anything it's just reinforcing negative stereotypes , the very same stereotypes that people are complaining about which makes no sense.

If he can't handle Rowling retaliating then maybe he shouldn't be on twitter doing what he's doing, he clearly wanted a reaction and he cried when it wasn't the reaction he expected . Maybe he should go back to the school playground and leave the adults to it , as he's clearly too childish. But i'm sure he'll cheer up when he knows he has some supporters who validate his nonsense.

"simple terms" , of course we can't all be as bright and stunning and clever as you . What would we all do on TIBB without your knowledge and bravery. Us mere peasants don't understand anything, you're perfect you have no faults and you never do anything wrong, you never make mistakes Mr saint with a halo . We must bow down and accept any name you give us from "bigot" to "terf" to "cis". You know best !. Enjoy your hill .

The guy criticised her and she responded by silencing him, and you cheer that on because you are easily impressed and because you don't value freedom of speech unless it benefits you. You are actively cheering on a billionaire for threatening teenagers with lasting financial ruin for criticising her. It's insane.

You are the only one making out that she's a nazi just so you can get mad about it. I brought up the fact that jewish commentators thought that the goblins were riddled with anti-semetic tropes and you went on a weird rampage about nazis. You brought it up and now you're trying to shove that down my throat although it's all your ****ing words.

The whole 'calling out stereotypes is the same as reinforcing them!' logic continues to be anything BUT logic. It's also hypocritical since you wouldn't stay silent about stereotypes if applied to you but you will act that people who point out anti-semitic stereotypes are somehow in the wrong.

Ah yes, because JK Rowling, who still earns millions, who still lives in a castle and will never have to work a day in her life again with no worries whatsoever, has been cancelled... It's so weird how her little cultish followers just cannot handle her facing any criticism at all.

I can't believe you still don't understand the issues surrounding JK Rowling using her power and privilege to silence criticism through threats of legal action. I cannot make it any more simple for you to understand than I already have. You lack the capacity and the rationality to see what the problem is.

You can spiral and screech all you want and make out that your failures are somehow my responsibility but at the end of the day you are looking ridiculous. Transphobes need counselling and therapy, I swear.

[GoldHeart]

Just as i thought you can't actually tell me why the goblins are offensive . you just keep saying the same thing over again like a broken record, ranting away frothing at the mouth without saying anything of substance.

I think i might buy Hogwarts Legacy .

I think you should buy this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Delusional-...c=1&th=1&psc=1

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Just as i thought you can't actually tell me why the goblins are offensive

He won't and he can't, I doubt even he knows "why" they are.

In his mind, it's enough that he told us someone said that they were, that's all the proof we're supposed to need.

He'd never sink to actually substantiating something he said, we're all just meant to believe him, and if we don't ... "google it"

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also I read that Irish people should be offended by her using the name Seamus Finnigan, no idea why unless you think naming an Irish character with a common Irish name is offensive. It isn't.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also apparently because he blows stuff up regularly when doing spells, she's doing the Irish IRA trope.... ffs

We love being told what we should be offended by usually by idiots who never go beyond their bedroom

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Because if it's only happening to what you consider 'a small niche' of the population then it doesn't matter, I guess. Who cares how many trans people die, just as long as you can demonise them to fuel your hysteria?

After all, if you don't think trans people need binning, then you obviously hate women and children, right?

This is a massive misrepresentation of anything that's been said by anyone in this thread. There's no hysteria or even high emotion other than your own. I don't think you "hate" women and children, I just think you're largely indifferent to concerns that aren't directly related to those who you consider to be "the worst off", so you haven't actually given them a second thought.

You've already decided it's not true, and I've grown quite tired of straight people expecting me to be a prop to their character development. It's a well known thing in the community that you have few older LGBT of the first three letters and less still of the T. The aids crisis, hatecrimes, and suicide have contributed to that. Over half of trans youth today has had suicidal thoughts, and there's a large number of those people who have and will attempt suicide before the age of 20. You don't get many older transpeople because so many of them die of suicide before they have the chance to grow old. Many trans youth today won't see old age either, not that you care, given that it's just a 'small niche' of the population after all.

So "no", then. The available stats on violence against trans people and suicide don't confirm your insistence that it's "rare" for trans people to reach old age because of suicide and murder at all, because you made it up based on a supposition, and not any sort of actual statistics.

Violence against trans people is a huge problem, and suicidality in the demographic is indeed very high as well. No one is pretending it isn't a problem, or that it isn't worth addressing, but your suggestion that most trans people die early violent deaths is simply false or a massive exaggeration for effect. You didn't say these deaths are statistically high amongst trans people compared to other demographics (true), you said that it's "rare" for trans people to make it through life without being murdered or killing themselves (verifiably untrue).

Maybe if you'd focussed a little more on critical thinking, compromise and the ability to cobble together a sound argument that isn't just "getting really angry and aggressive at everyone because that'll show 'em", and a little less on "your character development"...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also I read that Irish people should be offended by her using the name Seamus Finnigan, no idea why unless you think naming an Irish character with a common Irish name is offensive. It isn't.

To be honest there are some slightly "iffy" tropes in the books but here's what baffles me (well, it doesn't, it's pretty clear what's going on).

1) People who used to love and express loving Harry Potter now pretending that it was always a problem and they just "didn't notice" until they had an issue with JK rowling's position on gender. They were innocently trudling along, enjoying the wizard books, for years... never once mentioning an issue... and then JK Rowling took a stance they didn't agree with and suddenly she was always a problematic Nazi and they "knew it all along". I mean what's the answer there? Were these people being willfully ignorant before, if all of this is so clear? Or is it, perhaps, that they didn't give a toss about these issues until an issue they care about came up, and the rest is just exaggeration for leverage...

2) People pretending that they don't know that you have to take literature (and all media) in a "come as you are" form based on when it was written - in this case, the 90's and 00's - and not assess it based on current social norms of the present day ... or else you wouldn't be able to read or watch much that wasn't made in the last 5 years. They do of course know this and accept it for plenty of other entertainment ... just not from someone they have an axe to grind with. It's just hypocrisy, there are COUNTLESS authors with far more problematic back catalogues than Rowling but you won't hear a peep about them because it's not about that. It's just ammo for the gender ideology wars. Not one of them genuinely gives a stuff about "Jew coded Goblins" or that there's a character called Cho Chang ... or at least, they didn't until the last few years. The books have been around for 2 decades.

[Oliver_W]

The Cho Chang "problem" is daft to begin with, I can think of plenty of people with Surnames As First Names.

Even if it is actually "problematic" it's more the fault of the editors than a woman who wrote a character before the days where everything is googleable.

The Goblins With Gold trope is pretty old, and there's nothing in JK's interpretation which makes them Jew-coded.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be honest there are some slightly "iffy" tropes in the books but here's what baffles me (well, it doesn't, it's pretty clear what's going on).

1) People who used to love and express loving Harry Potter now pretending that it was always a problem and they just "didn't notice" until they had an issue with JK rowling's position on gender. They were innocently trudling along, enjoying the wizard books, for years... never once mentioning an issue... and then JK Rowling took a stance they didn't agree with and suddenly she was always a problematic Nazi and they "knew it all along". I mean what's the answer there? Were these people being willfully ignorant before, if all of this is so clear? Or is it, perhaps, that they didn't give a toss about these issues until an issue they care about came up, and the rest is just exaggeration for leverage...

2) People pretending that they don't know that you have to take literature (and all media) in a "come as you are" form based on when it was written - in this case, the 90's and 00's - and not assess it based on current social norms of the present day ... or else you wouldn't be able to read or watch much that wasn't made in the last 5 years. They do of course know this and accept it for plenty of other entertainment ... just not from someone they have an axe to grind with. It's just hypocrisy, there are COUNTLESS authors with far more problematic back catalogues than Rowling but you won't hear a peep about them because it's not about that. It's just ammo for the gender ideology wars. Not one of them genuinely gives a stuff about "Jew coded Goblins" or that there's a character called Cho Chang ... or at least, they didn't until the last few years. The books have been around for 2 decades.

The Jew Goblin trope though? Do you think that was JK Rowlings plan, because she secretly hates Jews? It doesn't seem likely to me. The whole book series is full of mythical creatures, I'm pretty sure the aim with having Goblins as the bankers is because Goblins are supposed to be grumpy and greedy. Goblins existed as mythical creatures with that reputation long before nazis or whoever used them as some sort of hate propaganda against Jewish people. Are people never allowed use Goblins as characters in anything anymore now in that case?

Thing is it would never even have occurred to most people to compare them either until someone started the whole theory which seems counterproductive in stopping racism and hatred to me

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Goblins With Gold trope is pretty old, and there's nothing in JK's interpretation which makes them Jew-coded.

I agree with that, there is some substance to the idea but goblins are obviously an extremely common fantasy element, you could perhaps say she's "guilty" (as with many authors... games... movies...) of lazily copying cut-and-paste fantasy creatures (goblins, giants, dragons, giant spiders... heck, wizards themselves...) from standard fantasy settings but the idea that she came up with Goblins herself or was aware of any link to Jewish people is just extremely far-fetched. Could you say she could have been more careful? I guess... but she had no idea how wide-reaching the books would be at that point, and again, you'd have to say the same thing about COUNTLESS other books, movies and games with fantasy settings.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Cho Chang "problem" is daft to begin with, I can think of plenty of people with Surnames As First Names.

Even if it is actually "problematic" it's more the fault of the editors than a woman who wrote a character before the days where everything is googleable.

The Goblins With Gold trope is pretty old, and there's nothing in JK's interpretation which makes them Jew-coded.

Like I said , it says more about the people causing an uproar who are associating it with a 'Jewish trope' , funny how only now there's an outrage ...yet at the time it was ok.

Same thing with Roald Dahl , now people are pointing out his illustrations and dialogue are "offensive" suddenly.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Just as i thought you can't actually tell me why the goblins are offensive . you just keep saying the same thing over again like a broken record, ranting away frothing at the mouth without saying anything of substance.

I think i might buy Hogwarts Legacy .

I think you should buy this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Delusional-...c=1&th=1&psc=1

What's in it for me to prove anything to you? You're a drone that can't think for themselves and will make out that something isn't true unless someone goes out of their way to prove it to you. A zealot is a zealot, you'll believe your feelings over the facts and so why waste my time trying to convince you of anything? You aren't worth the effort, only the derision.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that some Jewish people haven't taken issue with the goblins in HP then that's on you, your delusions don't matter to anyone but yourself. You are entitled to your own foolishness.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He won't and he can't, I doubt even he knows "why" they are.

In his mind, it's enough that he told us someone said that they were, that's all the proof we're supposed to need.

He'd never sink to actually substantiating something he said, we're all just meant to believe him, and if we don't ... "google it"

Again, whether a bunch of people covering their eyes and thinking that something they can't see see doesn't exist believes me or not is irrelevant. Your belief is not required, your input ultimately changes nothing. You are free to be as ignorant as you please.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This is a massive misrepresentation of anything that's been said by anyone in this thread. There's no hysteria or even high emotion other than your own. I don't think you "hate" women and children, I just think you're largely indifferent to concerns that aren't directly related to those who you consider to be "the worst off", so you haven't actually given them a second thought.





So "no", then. The available stats on violence against trans people and suicide don't confirm your insistence that it's "rare" for trans people to reach old age because of suicide and murder at all, because you made it up based on a supposition, and not any sort of actual statistics.

Violence against trans people is a huge problem, and suicidality in the demographic is indeed very high as well. No one is pretending it isn't a problem, or that it isn't worth addressing, but your suggestion that most trans people die early violent deaths is simply false or a massive exaggeration for effect. You didn't say these deaths are statistically high amongst trans people compared to other demographics (true), you said that it's "rare" for trans people to make it through life without being murdered or killing themselves (verifiably untrue).

Maybe if you'd focussed a little more on critical thinking, compromise and the ability to cobble together a sound argument that isn't just "getting really angry and aggressive at everyone because that'll show 'em", and a little less on "your character development"...

Just more waffle that ultimately translates into 'I love hearing the sound of my own voice'.

You know what's funny? You tried to make out that I was someone that lacked self awareness, but you in this thread have thrown out the usual excuses to prevent yourself from looking critically at your own view and who else supports it. 'B-But anyone can hijack an event!' Yet I'm the one that lacks self awareness, apparently.

'Violence against trans people and high suicide rates is an issue, but I'm immediately going to downplay both because they don't fit with my world view beyond this basic statement to cover my ass'. Trans people are a 'small niche' after all, and you've made it clear how little you think they matter. How many suicidal trans kids is okay with you, what's the benchmark number of dead children that will make you actually care? That's a rhetorical question, btw, just before you type out another 50 paragraphs of self important waffle.

Your last paragraph, I don't compromise with bigots so why are you trying to make out that I should? No rights have ever been assured or protected by compromising them. Gay rights began with a brick, and we'd have never gotten as far as we have by being asking for rights from those who would do us harm. I'm not going to go around hugging transphobes to make them feel better about themselves when violence and suicide rates against the people they hate is on the ****ing rise. You just keep pushing the narrative that LGBT people should just be accessories to make you feel better about your views, and god forbid they don't support those views. I'm not here for your ****ing benefit, you are not the ****ing main character of the world.

[GoldHeart]

"self important waffle" , some people really need to look in the mirror 🪞 , before they throw that stone around in their pretty little glass house .

You only care about the people who agree with you ,I guess the LGBTQ people who disagree with you don't matter ?. Also if love and acceptance is true...why are detransioners called 'quitters' ,and given zero compassion? . And why does the movement try and hide them / brushing their experiences under the carpet??.

The ones who acknowledge them are told to "shut up" or labelled "transphobe" ..... simply for having concerns and asking questions. As we're not allowed to do that anymore .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

What's in it for me to prove anything to you? You're a drone that can't think for themselves and will make out that something isn't true unless someone goes out of their way to prove it to you. A zealot is a zealot, you'll believe your feelings over the facts and so why waste my time trying to convince you of anything? You aren't worth the effort, only the derision.

If you want to delude yourself into thinking that some Jewish people haven't taken issue with the goblins in HP then that's on you, your delusions don't matter to anyone but yourself. You are entitled to your own foolishness.



Again, whether a bunch of people covering their eyes and thinking that something they can't see see doesn't exist believes me or not is irrelevant. Your belief is not required, your input ultimately changes nothing. You are free to be as ignorant as you please.



Just more waffle that ultimately translates into 'I love hearing the sound of my own voice'.

You know what's funny? You tried to make out that I was someone that lacked self awareness, but you in this thread have thrown out the usual excuses to prevent yourself from looking critically at your own view and who else supports it. 'B-But anyone can hijack an event!' Yet I'm the one that lacks self awareness, apparently.

'Violence against trans people and high suicide rates is an issue, but I'm immediately going to downplay both because they don't fit with my world view beyond this basic statement to cover my ass'. Trans people are a 'small niche' after all, and you've made it clear how little you think they matter. How many suicidal trans kids is okay with you, what's the benchmark number of dead children that will make you actually care? That's a rhetorical question, btw, just before you type out another 50 paragraphs of self important waffle.

Your last paragraph, I don't compromise with bigots so why are you trying to make out that I should? No rights have ever been assured or protected by compromising them. Gay rights began with a brick, and we'd have never gotten as far as we have by being asking for rights from those who would do us harm. I'm not going to go around hugging transphobes to make them feel better about themselves when violence and suicide rates against the people they hate is on the ****ing rise. You just keep pushing the narrative that LGBT people should just be accessories to make you feel better about your views, and god forbid they don't support those views. I'm not here for your ****ing benefit, you are not the ****ing main character of the world.

You're the only one mentioning "main characters" Dezzy - and you've accused multiple people of it with very little foundation. It's quite an obvious projection at this point? You've just told me not to bother with a long reply, that it was a rhetorical question, because you aren't interested in a long answer. I've never thought you were here for my benefit - but I'm not writing any of this for your benefit either, Dezzy? So why wouldn't I reply? I genuinely don't care if you even read it; your responses to me (and everyone else) are the same every time. Overly aggressive, telling people they're self-important bigots, letting us know that you're just here to tell everyone what's what, and even suggesting that you're "making people feel bad". I don't see how you possibly could be when the responses are just a rehash of the same insults you throw around in every reply, and entirely predictable.

You do lack self-awareness. I haven't made excuses, my views on this change and progress on his topic quite a bit actually, and I've criticised the people piggybacking suppoort on the issue to for their own ends in this thread only for you to claim that I don't do it . Does there have to be an element of righteous fury for you to accept it as valid?

No number of kids killing themselves is an acceptible. My daughter has trans friends. They're great kids. They all sadly have some very clear issues that have nothing to do with gender (mostly family issues). There are a number of complex mental health comorbidities that come along with and often precede questioning gender identity, that come long before and extend far beyond "people are mean about it". I strongly believe that the best way to keep people safe is to get the actual work done in understanding that. You want to oversimplify it into something basic and pretend that if everyone just stops talking about it, everyone will be happy & fine. That thinking is by far the more dangerous thinking -- luckily, experts and professionals do actually understand that. I just hope your ilk aren't successful in bullying all of those professionals out in favour of non-expert peer support. Which has its place, but not front and centre.

Hope you enjoyed my TED talk.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

You only care about the people who agree with you ,I guess the LGBTQ people who disagree with you don't matter ?. Also if love and acceptance is true...why are detransioners called 'quitters' ,and given zero compassion? . And why does the movement try and hide them / brushing their experiences under the carpet??

Who cares about those brainwashed alt-right log cabin republican Auntie Tams GoldHeart; they're crafted entirely out of hate and bile.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

"self important waffle" , some people really need to look in the mirror 🪞 , before they throw that stone around in their pretty little glass house .

You only care about the people who agree with you ,I guess the LGBTQ people who disagree with you don't matter ?. Also if love and acceptance is true...why are detransioners called 'quitters' ,and given zero compassion? . And why does the movement try and hide them / brushing their experiences under the carpet??.

The ones who acknowledge them are told to "shut up" or labelled "transphobe" ..... simply for having concerns and asking questions. As we're not allowed to do that anymore .

People who detransition aren't called quitters? Like where did you hear any of this? You're a great example of what happens when someone lacks critical thinking regarding their sources and they just believe whatever they like the sound of.

Detransitioning is rare, and you're only making out that it's 'swept' under the carpet because you ultimately want to push a false narrative that a lot of people regret transitioning when it's not the case.

The rest of your post is just inane nonsense that's not worth addressing.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Detransitioning is rare, and you're only making out that it's 'swept' under the carpet because you ultimately want to push a false narrative that a lot of people regret transitioning when it's not the case.

Detransitioning when actually down the transitioning path (hormones, surgery) is rare - gander swapping back to natal gender after a period of identifying as transgender in teenagers is extremely common (in fact it's most people who experiment with gender, in a period of 6 months to two years).

And yes; they are often socially rejected by their LGBTQ+ peers if they choose to "switch back" their names and pronouns. It's quite a big issue in high schools. I've literally seen it happen to two kids.