[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's not animal welfare though is it? Because who's going to look after those horses if they can't do what they're bred for? Who's gonna feed them, give them a home, clean up their sh!t?

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

They won't be bred for racing over the sticks when people come to their senses, they'll be bred only for flat racing. I don't want to see another tent around a dying horse which has been forced to jump almost impossible hurdles so people can have their jollies.

People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

People die enjoying themselves (skiing accidents ect) People die travelling to go enjoy themselves. People die going to work to earn money so that they can enjoy themselves. Death is part of life. The horses enjoy what they do, if they they didn't, they would just refuse to do it as some do. They're earning their keep and being well looked after for it.

There's far more injuries to horses that run on the flat than over fences. Because on the flat they're going at a much greater speed and they pull muscles.

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Livia

People die doing stuff they've chosen to do. To force an animal to do it is, like mentioned, akin to bear-baiting. I have seen no evidence at all to suggest flat racing is more dangerous, so that's just hearsay.

We're not going to agree, I can see that.

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

You're assuming you know that my concern is false. I am a supporter of Redwings... I do care for horses and animals in general. It's a bit harsh of you to dismiss my concern as empty do-gooding... But it's not surprising.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Alf

On the flat they're racing on hard ground going at top speeds. Over fences it's mainly on soft ground going at a nice steady gallop.

If you don't like it then don't watch it but why use the excuse that you care for horses to spoil others (including the horses) enjoyment. If you care that much then let's see you taking care of all these horses you want putting into retirement. Less talk, more action.

Originally Posted by Livia

You're assuming you know that my concern is false. I am a supporter of Redwings... I do care for horses and animals in general. It's a bit harsh of you to dismiss my concern as empty do-gooding... But it's not surprising.

I'n not talking about supporting some charities. I'm talking about you building some stables to house the hundreds of horses you want putting into retirement. Feeding them, grooming them, walking them, paying their vets bills. Go on, really show you care.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'n not talking about supporting some charities. I'm talking about you building some stables to house the hundreds of horses you want putting into retirement. Feeding them, grooming them, walking them, paying their vets bills. Go on, really show you care.

So if I disagree I'm supposed to build stables and home horses that would not exist had they not been bred especially for racing. Phase it out, don't breed further horse stocks then no one will have to worry.

Anyway, if you support it so much, I expect you already contribute to the upkeep of retired horses right now? Or are you demanding something of me you wouldn't do yourself?

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