[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Alf
it was sad he died

But that is Rare

Is it rare though? And even if it is, it's still a killer that was pushed from the politicians and media with threats to the people if they didn't take it. It's still a killer that they attempted to mandate on the people and in some cases did.

[arista]

"Is it rare though?"


Yes it is.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

"Is it rare though?"


Yes it is.

Deaths from Covid was even more rare. Most people died with Covid, not from it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you now understand that when those "anti-vaxxers" As you call them, question whether the vaccine was the reason for sudden deaths, that there's actual reason behind it?

And you that call them "conspiracy theorists" to attempt to shame them and shut them down are pretty much the same as holocaust deniers. You are vaccine death deniers.

Who has denied that vaccines have potential side effects?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Deaths from Covid was even more rare. Most people died with Covid, not from it.

If that were true, the overall excess death figures from mid 2021 onwards (large scale vaccination programmes in progress) would be higher than the overall excess death figures for 2020 and winter 2020-2021.

They are in fact significantly lower so this doesn't really hold water.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Who has denied that vaccines have potential side effects?

Those that argue that you're nothing but a conspiracy theorist if you question how these sudden deaths have been happening.

Don't use your energy to argue with me, I didn't kill this guy. I'm not your enemy.Use it to argue against those that were pushing these on people.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Those that argue that you're nothing but a conspiracy theorist if you question how these sudden deaths have been happening.

Don't use your energy to argue with me, I didn't kill this guy. I'm not your enemy.Use it to argue against those that were pushing these on people.

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not.

Yes you are Sensible
and more Educated than Alf

[Alf]

When Paul O'Grady died, all I said was "Was he vaxxed?" and that was enough to rub people up the wrong way, and see you as some monster, when the truth is it's a reasonable question that's actually showing concern.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

But I'm not anti-vaccination .. regardless of whether this poor chap died of a vaccine complication or not.

Neither am I. I just didn't trust them with this one, because none of it made any sense and they came across as far too dodgy for me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

When Paul O'Grady died, all I said was "Was he vaxxed?" and that was enough to rub people up the wrong way, when and see you as some monster, when the truth is it's a reasonable question that's actually showing concern.

He had a Heart Attack
in the night,


deadly.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

He had a Heart Attack
in the night,


deadly.

But at the time of my enquiry I wasn't aware of that. So I was investigating for myself.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

But at the time of my enquiry I wasn't aware of that. So I was investigating for myself.

Stop being silly


Paul's Funeral is today in Kent

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rd-honour.html

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes you are Sensible
and more Educated than Alf

Diane Abbott is more educated than me and you. What does being educated prove?

[bots]

vaccines have always been about risk vs reward. In the early days of covid the reward was far greater than the risk. That still holds true for a significant proportion of the population.

The exact same principles apply to any vaccination. There is always risk. There is risk associated with any form of medication without exception. That's life

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

Diane Abbott is more educated than me and you. What does being educated prove?

Yes, but only on Left Wing Ideology

[Alf]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

vaccines have always been about risk vs reward. In the early days of covid the reward was far greater than the risk. That still holds true for a significant proportion of the population.

The exact same principles apply to any vaccination. There is always risk. There is risk associated with any form of medication without exception. That's life

We were the guinea pigs for these vaccines.Yet they tried making them mandatory for us. We were shamed for refusing to be a guinea pig.

[Alf]

Get em' telt Juney girl.

[arista]

No June Lady
you are deluded.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Get em' telt Juney girl.

Brexit being unironically mentioned in the same breath as WW2 and the fall of the Soviet Union . Come on now.

[Alf]

Trump told you the cure. But the Pfizer sponsored, Trump hating media told you not to listen to him, and you trusted them.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Brexit being unironically mentioned in the same breath as WW2 and the fall of the Soviet Union . Come on now.

Just giving a few examples. When you give a few examples, those examples don't have to be exactly the same.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Alf

We were the guinea pigs for these vaccines.Yet they tried making them mandatory for us. We were shamed for refusing to be a guinea pig.

i don't agree with the approach the government took over covid passes and trying to guilt people into being vaccinated. However, millions of people have been vaccinated multiple times for covid and the numbers that have had a problem remain tiny

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Trump told you the cure. But the Pfizer sponsored, Trump hating media told you not to listen to him, and you trusted them.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...085-0/fulltext

"Ultimately, hydroxychloroquine did not have clinical benefit for COVID-19."

That's an article in The Lancet (one of the most respected peer-reviewed medical journals), Alf. Not the MSM or YouTube.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...085-0/fulltext

"Ultimately, hydroxychloroquine did not have clinical benefit for COVID-19."

That's an article in The Lancet (one of the most respected peer-reviewed medical journals), Alf. Not the MSM or YouTube.

Are you sure that the Lancet didn't retract that? I think maybe they did, look it up, I'm sure I read that somewhere.