[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'll likely get jumped on here but how sad to see this thread from how it began on the day to now have descended and been allowed to descend into the negativity it has now.

I'm no fan of Queen Camilla.
However it is the late Queen who directed that she should be Queen consort.
King Charles 111 was always going to be King, that is his long centuries old birthright.
He wants his wife now at his side as his Queen.

It doesn't matter what I think on this issue, he IS the King and he has the decision to make his wife Queen and not just Queen consort.
There's no power element there, they are figureheads of the Nation that's all.

It was sad and even cruel what he and Camilla did to Princess Diana.
It was a sad and bad marriage overall likely.
However Camilla clearly makes him happy.
The late Queen fully accepted her.

I could well understand if both or even just one of Princess Diana's sons were more hostile to Queen Camilla.
They have however been married for 18 years and he is now in his 70s so to have the woman he sees as his rock as his Queen, in my view that's near perfect.
He has the one person who can and will support him through his duties as King.
I couldn't begrudge him that at all.

Well said Joey...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The point was it has never been called out by those acting offended at Camilla being called a similar slur.

Maybe because most of us didn't know what it meant...

[Vanessa]

There was no need for her to be Queen.
We have King Charles and that's what Saturday was all about for me.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Kate!

Charles doesn't give two figs what the public want. They don't want Camilla. He's a selfish old goat.

Considering thousands more went to the Coronation than Harry and Meghans Wedding speaks volumes....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s fair to say that the rules of war had changed by the time Di got proactive …



Was she supposed to live out her life as a nun whilst hubby was humping his ‘lady friend’ ?
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You can keep repeating the fictional ‘Crown’ series version of events but it just doesn’t stack up. There is no evidence at all, not one shred, (even Diana never said so) that he resumed an affair with Camilla as soon as he married Diana. There are many that insist he didn’t start the affair until 5 years afterwards, in 1986, ‘when the marriage had irretrievably broken down’.
There is however some credence that Diana was the first to have affairs, which was suppressed by the media of the time to suit their narrative of the beautiful, perfect Princess. Obviously the marriage wasn’t working, for both of them and I guess Diana knew only too well that his heart still belonged with Camilla.

It was reported that her first affair was in 1983 with a man called Henry Herbert, the 17th Earl of Pembroke.
Julia Samuels, her friend, admitted Diana was having an affair with her protection officer, Barry Mannakee in 1985….and it is said there were others.
Then came James Hewitt, Will Carling and Oliver Hoare, all of which were carried out after Charles started his affair with Camilla.
I was a huge Diana fan and had so much sympathy for her, still do, but from all I have read, from friends of both couples, I’m inclined to believe the above.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'll likely get jumped on here but how sad to see this thread from how it began on the day to now have descended and been allowed to descend into the negativity it has now.

I'm no fan of Queen Camilla.
However it is the late Queen who directed that she should be Queen consort.
King Charles 111 was always going to be King, that is his long centuries old birthright.
He wants his wife now at his side as his Queen.

It doesn't matter what I think on this issue, he IS the King and he has the decision to make his wife Queen and not just Queen consort.
There's no power element there, they are figureheads of the Nation that's all.

It was sad and even cruel what he and Camilla did to Princess Diana.
It was a sad and bad marriage overall likely.
However Camilla clearly makes him happy.
The late Queen fully accepted her.

I could well understand if both or even just one of Princess Diana's sons were more hostile to Queen Camilla.
They have however been married for 18 years and he is now in his 70s so to have the woman he sees as his rock as his Queen, in my view that's near perfect.
He has the one person who can and will support him through his duties as King.
I couldn't begrudge him that at all.

I’d agree with much of what you say ..
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It is so sad that he’s gone against the Queen’s wish that ‘she’ should be Queen Consort .

( after all she was consorting with Charlie behind Di’s back )




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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

There was no need for her to be Queen.
We have King Charles and that's what Saturday was all about for me.

Diana would have been Queen...Kate will be Queen

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe because most of us didn't know what it meant...

How convenient... I don't think ignorance is anything to be smug about.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

How convenient... I don't think ignorance is anything to be smug about.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

Re - posting:

You can keep repeating the fictional ‘Crown’ series version of events but it just doesn’t stack up. There is no evidence at all, not one shred, (even Diana never said so) that he resumed an affair with Camilla as soon as he married Diana. There are many that insist he didn’t start the affair until 5 years afterwards, in 1986, ‘when the marriage had irretrievably broken down’.
There is however some credence that Diana was the first to have affairs, which was suppressed by the media of the time to suit their narrative of the beautiful, perfect Princess. Obviously the marriage wasn’t working, for both of them and I guess Diana knew only too well that his heart still belonged with Camilla.

It was reported that her first affair was in 1983 with a man called Henry Herbert, the 17th Earl of Pembroke.
Julia Samuels, her friend, admitted Diana was having an affair with her protection officer, Barry Mannakee in 1985….and it is said there were others.
Then came James Hewitt, Will Carling and Oliver Hoare, all of which were carried out after Charles started his affair with Camilla.
I was a huge Diana fan and had so much sympathy for her, still do, but from all I have read, from friends of both couples, I’m inclined to believe the above.

I’ve never watched a single second of The Crown so I have no thoughts on it .

Ultimately it was Charles who ‘struck’ first so anything after that is irrelevant as he ‘changed’ the rules .

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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

How convenient... I don't think ignorance is anything to be smug about.

Convenient ignorance

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Diana would have been Queen...Kate will be Queen

For me she should have been Consort.
I would have supported that.
But not Queen. She'll never be my Queen.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’d agree with much of what you say ..
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It is so sad that he’s gone against the Queen’s wish that ‘she’ should be Queen Consort .

( after all she was consorting with Charlie behind Di’s back )




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The late Queen was the one who opened the door for the Queen consort title.
I cannot imagine at all IF we could ask the late Queen now did she disagree with King Charle's decision here now.
I can't imagine she'd disagree.

She'd want him to have at his side however way he was happy with, the person he really loved and has come to rely on.
It's his decision and his right, no one elses.

[AnnieK]

It is what is is with Camilla. I don't actually blame her for the breakdown of the various marriages, I blame the Royals as a whole. Charles should have been allowed to marry her in the first place then Doana would have never been dragged along for the ride. That didn't happen and as in many marriages Charles and Di were not a match made in heaven and they strayed. Not ideal but not uncommon. You can tell by looking at them now they were / are soul mates and make each other very happy.

Tradition dictates Camilla shpuld be Queen and so she is. I don't think anyone should have the obscene wealth the royals have given how a lot of it was acquired but it is what it is

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Sorry did I say more than one person had said it? The point was it has never been called out by those acting offended at Camilla being called a similar slur.

I didnt even see it, how could I call it out

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The late Queen was the one who opened the door for the Queen consort title.
I cannot imagine at all IF we could ask the late Queen now did she disagree with King Charle's decision here now.
I can't imagine she'd disagree.

She'd want him to have at his side however way he was happy with, the person he really loved and has come to rely on.
It's his decision and his right, no one elses.

Well she disagreed with the idea when she was alive .. why would she change her mind 8 months later


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve never watched a single second of The Crown so I have no thoughts on it .

Ultimately it was Charles who ‘struck’ first so anything after that is irrelevant as he ‘changed’ the rules


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Where do you get your info from?

He didn't 'strike first' though...nowadays it is accepted by many that he was faithful for 5 years hoping the marriage would work - it wasn't working and Diana was the first to have affairs. Not that it matters anymore, time moves on....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’d agree with much of what you say ..
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It is so sad that he’s gone against the Queen’s wish that ‘she’ should be Queen Consort .

( after all she was consorting with Charlie behind Di’s back )




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Zizu he has not gone against her wishes, the Queen consort until he was crowned and then she becomes Queen because that is how these antiquated rules work...... THE Queen knew Camilla would be Queen and approved it....nothing we can do about it

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

It is what is is with Camilla. I don't actually blame her for the breakdown of the various marriages, I blame the Royals as a whole. Charles should have been allowed to marry her in the first place then Doana would have never been dragged along for the ride. That didn't happen and as in many marriages Charles and Di were not a match made in heaven and they strayed. Not ideal but not uncommon. You can tell by looking at them now they were / are soul mates and make each other very happy.

Tradition dictates Camilla shpuld be Queen and so she is. I don't think anyone should have the obscene wealth the royals have given how a lot of it was acquired but it is what it is

100% and he should have paid for his own Coronation

although apparently the chairs at the Abbey will be auctioned off to help with the bill

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didnt even see it, how could I call it out

Me neither.

[bots]

Heres the thing, it was good old Henry the 8th that set the precedent. He divorced Catherine and married Anne, and she became queen. If he had not created a new religion specifically so he could do that then things would have been different.

However, Diana died, and Charles didn't marry Camilla until after her death so she becomes queen without the need for any religious jiggery pokery

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

Where do you get your info from?

He didn't 'strike first' though...nowadays it is accepted by many that he was faithful for 5 years hoping the marriage would work - it wasn't working and Diana was the first to have affairs. Not that it matters anymore, time moves on....

If you want to believe he was celibate for 5 years with his old ( married) girlfriend constantly hanging around then so be it …

He couldn’t keep away from her when he was single and she was married with children..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Zizu he has not gone against her wishes, the Queen consort until he was crowned and then she becomes Queen because that is how these antiquated rules work...... THE Queen knew Camilla would be Queen and approved it....nothing we can do about it

Fair enough ..


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[bots]

[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If you want to believe he was celibate for 5 years with his old ( married) girlfriend constantly hanging around then so be it …

He couldn’t keep away from her when he was single and she was married with children..


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He wasn't celibate for the 5 years...he had 2 children with Diana.
It's not a case of 'wanting to believe' anything, I've always preferred Diana to Camilla by far - it's what the friends of both of them have admitted to over the years.