[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Not at all. I wouldn't even know how to pretend to think women's rights are worth being sacrified for trans rights.

I’m not even talking about that. Just the basic rights Independent of anything or anyone else. How about that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not even talking about that. Just the basic rights Independent of anything or anyone else. How about that?

I've never spoken against their "rights" which don't contradict anyone else's.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've never spoken against their "rights" which don't contradict anyone else's.

Hmm. If you say so.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Hmm. If you say so.

I do say so, and nothing else I've said contradicts this

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

Just the basic rights Independent of anything or anyone else. How about that?

I personally don't think there's any such thing in any situation, all human rights and human interactions are a balance of compromises to achieve (hopefully) the best and most sensible outcome. "No m... person... is an island", and all that.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I personally don't think there's any such thing in any situation, all human rights and human interactions are a balance of compromises to achieve (hopefully) the best and most sensible outcome. "No m... person... is an island", and all that.

So what you’re implying is that trans people shouldn’t have the right to transition?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

So what you’re implying is that trans people shouldn’t have the right to transition?

[Redway]

On what planet do cis. women’s rights impede that basic want/need of transitioning or vice-versa?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

On what planet do cis. women’s rights impede that basic want/need of transitioning or vice-versa?

That was never my argument, that transwomen in general is an afront to women's rights. But the consequences, i.e. transwomen in women's spaces etc.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That was never my argument, that transwomen in general is an afront to women's rights. But the consequences, i.e. transwomen in women's spaces etc.

Okay, the trans prison/bathroom thing can be problematic (especially the prisons part) but in many ways that’s just symptomatic of the wider problem in society that’s been here since 2018. A 5-year-old girl now can identify as a horse if she wants to and according to some non-existent rights has the “right” to be taken more-or-less seriously, so by that analogy you can see what the problem is when people who are still biologically cis. pop out of the woodworks from nowhere and insist on being the opposite gender. It’s a bit different in the case of people who are actually transitioned (or at least transitioning).